Wow, I'd be mad at that shop. Take it back and do the Fizzy fix.

 

They've decided to keep it? It's your bike, you decide what happens to it, not them.

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I read yesterday that as of June 1st Fizzy kits will not be available. Glad I found the forum when I did. Of course you can still go pick up the parts for each fix yourself, but the ship-to-home was nice. Better jump on it everyone. I have racked up 6300 miles since Jan. 25, and i had no issues until the odometer read 6000. 2 dealerships told me, "We have heard nothing about this." Yeah, ok. Decided to fix myself. For peace of mind.

 

You guys have gotten lazy expecting another member on the forum to take his hard earned time to make the parts available for you. I spent my time locating the parts and doing it myself. Shame on you. No wonder why he is going away. The parts needed are listed in the thread by Travis.

 

I'm not going to be mad at the shop for trying to protect my bike from further damage... They're trying to help. If they gave it back and the engine decided to eat itself, then id be mad.

I did the fizzyfix and got it to the shop, but the cct was extraordinarily loose on the ride prior to the fix. I mean, super duper loose. Like a 2$ hooker in dc kinda loose. The bike is still under warranty and I wanted the -003 part to keep it that way, so I took it in, and after 2 weeks, called and was told the backorder ETA. That about brings us right up to now where I'm sitting here posting this to see if anyone else had any luck with yamaha customer service.

 

I'm with jonboy on this one......it's your bike. You are the one that decides if/when it gets ridden. I'd take the bike back, fix the issue myself and be on my merry way.....OR.....I tell them to keep the bike and give me a brand new or demo FZ09 to ride until the part comes in. I'd also check into the Lemon Laws in your state.

 

Man, you guys are harsh. If only it were that easy. Ive been down that road before and its not an easy one. If I fix it myself, I'll still be waiting 40 days for the part and be out 90$. Doesnt matter if the bike is at the shop or in my garage, its not getting ridden in its current condition, otherwise the warranty is void because the fizzerfix directly modifies the affected part. The only reason fizzyfix is on was to get it to the shop. What I would however like, is an extended warranty as a result of the broken confidence due to the issue, and a gift bag (novelty crap, like a hat and a shirt for my nephew) as compensation and penance for the new bike being out of service. That'd make me happy. I think anything beyond that would just be trying to take advantage of the situation and thats not my style.

 

It is that easy, tighten the damn tensioner, secure the nut, forget about it.

 

With the cct properly adjusted and fizzer kit securely installed per the directions you should have no issues riding the bike . My dealership recommended I not ride the bike until the new part came in but gave it back to me and I rode it home and installed fizzers kit.

I even told the guy that's what I was doing and he said that's awesome - now you can still ride it.

Many have done the same and have had zero problems with the bike. If you want to be over cautious - that's fine, but a large majority of us have fixed this in 5 minutes and have logged thousands of miles with no issue.

Just my 2 cents.

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Sorry, but that was your mistake. I put the fix on mine before it ever rattled. I would buy the part before I let the dealership touch my bike.

 

I have 100% faith in the fizzerfix. But that doesn't keep my warranty in tact and I'd like to let Yamaha assume that risk instead of my wallet. I don't want to debate the merits of doing the fizzerfix either, I know it works and im not arguing against it. Id buy fizzer a beer if he were in my area for the service hes done. Im an advocate for it, it got me to the dealership after all.

Ive had issues with catastrophic engine failure and warranty in the past with Audi so allow me to delve into an anecdotal presentation for a moment. They pretty much flat out refused to fix the blown engine due to a minor diverter valve fix. The stock valve was a spring and diaphragm and the boost pressure would split and shred the diaphragm. So we all came up with a nifty solution to change it to a piston actuated one. Well, one day the engine went. Completely unrelated, it spun a bearing. I towed it in to have it fixed and was shocked to get a call saying they won't touch the car. Once they said no, it was on me to either lawyer up and prove it wasnt the valve despite the magnuson-moss act. I didn't have the financial ability to lawyer up to fight it. As a result, if there's a warranty on a high priced item and no real need to void it, i wont. That situation is very reminiscent of this one, therefore, im going through the proper channels. I have built my fair share of engines, but that was a hobby and I don't have time to gamble with in the foreseeable future to take on that project on a brand new bike.

 

Take the bike back.
Fit the Fizzer kit.
Ride the bike.
When the the part comes in,take the bike to get it fitted under warranty.Tell the dealer you did not ride the bike with a loose cam chain while you waited for the part.

 

Yeah it's up to every vehicle's owner to decide the level of warranty risk etc to accept. Before I even had a tick I sourced a fix, doesn't need a set screw, an ordinary stainless bolt fit mine fine. But with Grishbok's history/situation..., makes sense to be sure it's in Yamaha's lap.

 

I agree with Bob on this. Warranty coverage, which is something that most of us don't need/use nearly as often as is the term of it, but it's still there if you haven't modified anything. All of us that have undertaken the ECU reflash are in the same boat so to speak, but it is a risk that we take if the engine goes south and they want to dispute it.

 

If the motor lets go, I will pull the kit out and put the cap back on, period.

 

Just a heads up. I just spoke with a yamaha rep today about the cct issue. A manual tensioner/ fizzer kit is not approved by yamaha as im sure most people realize. Installing it will void your warranty. Props to fizzer and the time he put into finding this fix tho. Just wanted to share what the rep said.

 

I thought the manual tensioner was the official fix in Australia, with Yamaha supplying the parts.
Has anyone filed a complaint with the NHTSA yet??? - that should speed things up
Just checked on http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchSafetyIssues and I see just the one complaint I put in about the rear suspension... so no, nobody has. Not even a TSB.

Making noise on a forum is one thing (like pissing into the wind) but making noise on the NHTSA site might actually get something done.

 

Isnt Yamahas response just common knowledge? What they are saying is, don't be an idiot and show up at the dealership with the set screw installed... Remove it first.
No manufacturer will warrant a part that has clearly been modified by the owner. It won't void your warranty on the BIKE, but on the CCT, sure. Is this really news?

They are doing you a favor, and reminding you to remove the kit before having the part replaced under warranty. This way, they are still on the hook. It was nice of them to remind us!

 

I would hope it would be common knowledge. Im not trying to insult anyone at all, just figured id post what he told me.

 

Uh, all the shop has to do is right down the mileage when the bike leaves the shop and they will know if hes ridden it when he takes it back....

 

They should have noted the mileage they created an R.O., unless they are incompetent like most of the dealers that I have dealt with over the years.

 

be sure to log the amount of days the shop has your bike. get it in writing. i.e have the service writer note the drop off date on your service record. some states have laws that require compensation for keeping your vehicle in for warranty service over a 24 hour period. you may be able to have that down time added prorata to your factory warranty. it is worth looking into. if you are going to let them hold your bike indefinitely until it is repaired. ask your service writer also.

 

Doug, I expected nothing. From all I read he was offering the kits up because he wanted to help people on the forum. If that wasn't the case, then my mistake.

 

Does anyone have an "official Yamaha" response via email or other format that they care to share? I've contacted my dealership about the issue. I'm hoping to avoid having to take it in, get it adjusted, have the ticking return and then have them look into replacing it. I had another local Yamaha dealership adjust it once at the 600 mile service (closer than the dealership I bought from who had one to buy and who I want to run any warranty work through).

Thanks!

JW

 

I do, but the response they gave me is exactly what you have posted............take it to the dealer for adjustment and replacement if necessary after adjustment.

That was pretty much it. I wrote them a good 2 or 3 paragraphs about the issue, Yamaha responded with a one line sentence email.

 

+1 on above. I took mine in (I am in QLD, Aus) to the Yam dealer I bought it from, they had not had much info bar adjusting it 1/4-1/2 a turn and seeing how it goes. No word on next steps if it keeps happening. Mine was infinitely better after adjustment (I had already adjusted it once but didn't tell them and got them to do it the 2nd time). It was good for about 100km's and has started getting a bit noisy again now. The head mech that looked at it said there was a lot of tappet noise mixed in there due to run in oil etc as well so said to keep an eye on it and when I do first service it will quieten a lot of the general engine noise when they dump the shitty run in oil out (his words lol).

I told him about the manual adjustment fix and he said yeh that sounds like the best idea, when quizzed on -003 part numbers etc he was blank though as had not had that info or was not letting on about it. Unless the thing was slapping back and forth with barely any tension it shouldn't do any damage as such but not the best thing on a new bike either. Mine is in for 1000km service in a week or so (and an Akra yeeehhhh!!!!) so will have them look again and push a bit more on replacement otherwise let them know I will lock the adjusted with the set screw/nut and have them put in writing they are willing to accept this as a fix if they don't replace it. One way or another I'd rather sort it and move on.

 

Folks,

Has anyone asked about warranty being affected by having initial services (600 mile) being done by the owner if he/she is a licensed mechanic? Does it have to be done by the dealer? I have already synched the throttle bodies and will change the oil of course at 600 miles.

Thanks

 

Google "Moss Magnusson act".... if you're in the US, they can't use it against you.