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I picked up a Yamaha XSR900 roughly 1 month ago, great bike, tons of power, and tons of fun. I may be the first and only person that has had this happen, but I got a check engine light around 375 miles when the bike wouldn't start. Upon investigation I found out Yamaha decided to remove the local diagnostics mode that was previously accessible by pressing a sequence of buttons (Select + Reset + Ignition). I actually called the main Yamaha center in California to confirm this because I was blown away that you can't find out what engine code is present without taking the bike in. (Ridiculous) :mad:

This is by design and Yamaha wants to sell you a diagnostics reader for $XXX.XX down the road that is not currently available. Talking to local dealerships the diagnostics reader isn't going to be cheap by any means. I also went through the joys of owning a bike that no one has in the sense that I couldn't even get the check engine light read at any dealers for 2+ weeks. After finally getting the engine light read & 2 days of leaving the bike at the shop, nothing was changed or replaced and the code was cleared. The code reported was a "Stall Error".

I've filed negative feedback directly with Yamaha that this is a step backwards in technology. Expecting nothing will change. :( Hopefully no one else has this experience out of the gate, its truly damped the joys of initial ownership and left me with a slightly bitter taste towards Yamaha. Also hoping that my continued driving of the bike washes away that bitterness over time.
 

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This is a quick thread for visibility to future owners & other current owners -

I picked up a Yamaha XSR900 roughly 1 month ago, great bike, tons of power, and tons of fun. I may be the first and only person that has had this happen, but I got a check engine light around 375 miles when the bike wouldn't start. Upon investigation I found out Yamaha decided to remove the local diagnostics mode that was previously accessible by pressing a sequence of buttons (Select + Reset + Ignition). I actually called the main Yamaha center in California to confirm this because I was blown away that you can't find out what engine code is present without taking the bike in. (Ridiculous) :mad:

This is by design and Yamaha wants to sell you a diagnostics reader for $XXX.XX down the road that is not currently available. Talking to local dealerships the diagnostics reader isn't going to be cheap by any means. I also went through the joys of owning a bike that no one has in the sense that I couldn't even get the check engine light read at any dealers for 2+ weeks. After finally getting the engine light read & 2 days of leaving the bike at the shop, nothing was changed or replaced and the code was cleared. The code reported was a "Stall Error".

I've filed negative feedback directly with Yamaha that this is a step backwards in technology. Expecting nothing will change. :( Hopefully no one else has this experience out of the gate, its truly damped the joys of initial ownership and left me with a slightly bitter taste towards Yamaha. Also hoping that my continued driving of the bike washes away that bitterness over time.
interesting feedback. i feel this is a little pain coming from early adopters and perhaps lack of dealer training from Yamaha.

i, for one, would always take the bike to the dealer, but they have been pretty good with my previous bikes and i'd expect them to hook it up to a computer while i wait...
 

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Hi guys, first post for me! (hi!)

I don't have an XSR yet but will be putting down a deposit very soon.

The lack of a user accessible diagnostic mode is a MASSIVE downer for me. Consumers should not have their machinery locked up like this.

Is there an aftermarket diagnostic solution, like an OBD-II type setup?
 

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The latest 2016 MT09 ABS + TCS has no diagnosis through the dash either, I have tried to buy the Yamaha diagnostic tool for my bike & I will pay the price they are asking but no one in the world will sell me one I have tried 5 different countries now, they all say dealer only not to be sold to the public.

I also had stall error code logged twice on mine putting the engine light on, code 245 + an unknown code 95, each time the warning light came on I was riding the bike over 3000rpm.
 
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I had the early triumph Daytona 675 and it had a fault where it would fry the wiring harness if turned off with the key rather than the kill switch. Not sure the relevance here but so you know how you typically turn the bike off?


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Some thing is up, two new 2016 models with the same fault codes that we have never seen before, with the fault codes not related to any symptoms.
 

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Hi guys, first post for me! (hi!)

I don't have an XSR yet but will be putting down a deposit very soon.

The lack of a user accessible diagnostic mode is a MASSIVE downer for me. Consumers should not have their machinery locked up like this.

Is there an aftermarket diagnostic solution, like an OBD-II type setup?
Found something in the XSR factory service manual (USA version). I've got the dead tree edition so no jpg to post here. Anyway, pg 8-36 talks about using the 'Yamaha diagnostic tool' blah blah then underneath says:

TIP - A generic scan tool can also be used to identify malfunctions. "ODB/GST Leadwire kit 90890-03249".

In the section of the manual where they show special tools there is a picture of the thing, pg 1-26. Looks like typical ODB-II plug on one end and the Yammy plug on the other. Internet search for that part turns up nothing. Gonna call the dealer tomorrow and see how much $$ it is. As long as it's not expensive I'll grab one and try it. I love having special tools.
 

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You can purchase a Yamaha code reader online (ebay) for around $100 if your wanting one.

It's no real surprise that they are going away from a diagnostic mode on the dash as its very small dash and can not provide enough info for diag with the limitations of that screen. Its the price you pay for having a technologically advanced bike really. Gone are the simple things replaced with more complex and more expensive counterparts.
 

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You can purchase a Yamaha code reader online (ebay) for around $100 if your wanting one.

It's no real surprise that they are going away from a diagnostic mode on the dash as its very small dash and can not provide enough info for diag with the limitations of that screen. Its the price you pay for having a technologically advanced bike really. Gone are the simple things replaced with more complex and more expensive counterparts.
Gonna look into that. Thx!
 

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The latest 2016 MT09 ABS + TCS has no diagnosis through the dash either, I have tried to buy the Yamaha diagnostic tool for my bike & I will pay the price they are asking but no one in the world will sell me one I have tried 5 different countries now, they all say dealer only not to be sold to the public.

I also had stall error code logged twice on mine putting the engine light on, code 245 + an unknown code 95, each time the warning light came on I was riding the bike over 3000rpm.
Were you able to reset the ECU by grounding the positive wire of the battery? It's work well on cars... I mean disconnecting the positive wire from the battery and grounding it to the negative wire.

I think its BS! All vehicle can be scan with a generic scan tool by anyone. Clearly if Yamaha is doing it is to have you bring your bike back to the stealership when things go wrong. I'm no specialist on the question but I'm not convince it's legal business practice?
 

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Raydeightor,

Does that manual have info on troubleshooting diagnostic codes?
It has the codes listed, 70 some pages of them. Describes they mean, how to diagnose, pics of the associated connectors per code, lots of info. Tons of detailed pics on wire, cable & hose routing too. Fold out color and B&W wiring diagrams. Totally worth it IMHO. A caveman could fix your bike with this book. And it has a happy ending.
 

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What exactly do you plan to achieve by reading the tripped code ?

This is a quick thread for visibility to future owners & other current owners -

I picked up a Yamaha XSR900 roughly 1 month ago, great bike, tons of power, and tons of fun. I may be the first and only person that has had this happen, but I got a check engine light around 375 miles when the bike wouldn't start. Upon investigation I found out Yamaha decided to remove the local diagnostics mode that was previously accessible by pressing a sequence of buttons (Select + Reset + Ignition). I actually called the main Yamaha center in California to confirm this because I was blown away that you can't find out what engine code is present without taking the bike in. (Ridiculous) :mad:

This is by design and Yamaha wants to sell you a diagnostics reader for $XXX.XX down the road that is not currently available. Talking to local dealerships the diagnostics reader isn't going to be cheap by any means. I also went through the joys of owning a bike that no one has in the sense that I couldn't even get the check engine light read at any dealers for 2+ weeks. After finally getting the engine light read & 2 days of leaving the bike at the shop, nothing was changed or replaced and the code was cleared. The code reported was a "Stall Error".

I've filed negative feedback directly with Yamaha that this is a step backwards in technology. Expecting nothing will change. :( Hopefully no one else has this experience out of the gate, its truly damped the joys of initial ownership and left me with a slightly bitter taste towards Yamaha. Also hoping that my continued driving of the bike washes away that bitterness over time.
Knowing the code does not repair the issue, without the bike being at the dealer and hooked up to YDS the code cannot be cleared, even if the failed part or sensor has been replaced, the code remains present and active thus continuing to set of the check engine light. Aftermarket OBD2 code readers cannot clear an active code, they can only display what the code numbers or call letters are. Grounding out your positive battery wire or terminal can also be registered and stored in the ecu/ecm archive files which once or if found will absoletly end any warranty or goodwill you expect to recieve, not to mention risking turning said ecm/ecu into a very expensive paper weight with no more function than a good ole fashioned brick. YDS is about a 10 million dollar tool that will never be available to regular people like yourself and I. Worry less and ride more.
 
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