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I was so angry, but that's what happens to me for putting so much value into material possessions. I lowsided on Saturday after work.

I'm a very precautious and better than average rider. I was in a one way street in downtown Los Angeles, I was in the far left lane, some van in the lane next to me decides to make a sudden left turn, but like I said I'm very precautions so I had time to appropriately react. I started breaking smooth and the bike dun fell right under me. Was going maybe 40mph. So I reacted well but I wasn't prepared well
A lot of expensive damage, rear break bracket broke. 90$. Also tire was crooked as heck. My light was dangling one of the screws broke and some of the plastic as well.

I am disgusted by this bike now, I can't even look it at it. My poor baby. Was so shiny and new. The cosmetic damage isn't too bad tho. Its been about 15k miles since my last low side. So sad.

 

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i can't imagine much tread was left on your tires after 8k miles - the stockers really shouldn't be stretched that far in my opinion - i'd even argue most aftermarket tires shouldn't either but it really depends on your riding style. I replaced mine at 4,500 and that's long compared to some guys who's tires only lasted 3k or less.

I don't mean to sound like a dick but do you know how to check the tire wear beads on both the front and rears? Was there sufficient wear left to be riding on them - particularly in conditions that aren't ideal? (the stockers weren't good in the rain new and didnt get any better when they started to wear for me).

Hope you're ok from your accident, the good news is you seemed to have walked away - some aren't that lucky.
 

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that sux.

No other way to put it.

The stock Bridgestone S20 tires that came on my bike had all the wet weather grip of a bowling ball.

For most bikes, the stock tires are only OK at best. Supersports bikes often come with good tires but the FZ09 did not, at least the Bridgestone that came on mine weren't.

As for you being cautious and such, from your description, I think you could benefit from a lot of practice doing quick stops as you didn't do that one correctly.

I wasn't there but my best guess is you did not properly judge the amount of traction available (wet road, probably cold tires, and a tire that was only so so traction-wise)

Then you applied too much brake to the front and locked up the front wheel. You might possibly have applied the brake too quickly (grabbing the front brake lever) but I am taking your work for it that you have at least that amount of knowledge and skill to never grab the front brake lever.

You should practice quick stops in a nice dry parking lot until you have stopped the bike as quickly as you can from 15-20 mph in second gear, downshifting to 1st before stopping. Be sure to use both brakes, neither wheel locking up.

Keep practicing until you can stop in the shortest distance you think you can do consistently.

Then speed up and repeat at 25 mph and 30 mph in 2nd gear, 35, 40 mph in 3rd gear, 45 and 50 mph in 4th gear, remeber to donwsift to 1st gear before the wheels stop rolling in every quick stop.

Then once you have that down at the empty parking lot, you should practice quick stops every time you ride.

It sux to crash but it sux even worse if you don't honestly evaluate the crash and, whether the crash was your fault or not, figure out what you could have done better to avoid or minimize the crash as we can all always gain more skills. Then go get that skill so you don't make the same mistake the next time you need it.
 
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glad you ain't dead!

I replaced the stock tires at 4k, (I think) because they just .... sucked.

Pilot road 3's got 2k until an unavoidable incident xmas day, Now I'm running Pilot Road 4s. They stick like stink! in dry, in wet, on dirty roads... Awesome tires.

8k was Waaay too long on the stock tires, mine were damn near done at 4k, and I'm really easy on tires.
 

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I started breaking smooth and the bike dun fell right under me. Was going maybe 40mph. So I reacted well but I wasn't prepared well
That isn't a low side dude...that's a fug-up. Next time use the BRAKES instead of the breaks...and the bike won't "dun fell down" anymore.
 

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I'm glad you're okay and all, but really expecting to be able to squeeze 8k miles out of anything sport of mid-to-high-end sport touring tires tells me you haven't done enough research about tires or bikes in general here. The stock tires (depending on which ones you got) are either toast by 4-5k miles (in the case of the Bridgestone S20Rs) or junk from the very start (in the case of the Dunlop Sportmax D214s). If you expect to be able to squeeze more than 5k miles out of a set of tires OR behave well in the wet you need to make the switch to Sport Touring tires ASAP. A bit too late for this piece of advice, but if you knew much of anything about sportbike tires you would have been able to avoid this long ago.
 

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If they were the Dunlops, you deserve a congratulations and a medal for not going down much sooner. I only get 3500 out of a rear, and 6000 out of a front decent OEM sport tire. Wheelies chew up my rears, with the exception of the Pilot Road 4's, which I am still working on after 5,000 miles. All of that stuff can easily be replaced, but that slight sting will take some time.

 

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Glad your're all good, learn what ya can and move forward. I just did some e-stops in a parking lot last night - and feeling how easy that front wheel locks when the suspension has no more travel is a little unsettling. Made a mohawk out of my seat.

The good thing is, a lot of bikes/cars/projects seem to look better afterwards when starting from a speed bump like this. Aside from new tires we'll be here chearin' you on when the new parts are installed!
 

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I'm pleased you are OK. As others have responded, the stock tires are almost certainly shot at 8K miles. I am probably one of the least aggressive riders among regular posters on this forum, and my stock rear tire (Dunlop D214) was about done at 3K miles. As weaponzero mentioned, sport touring tires are a better choice if you want more service life from motorcycle tires.

My sport touring tires are Pirelli Angel GTs, but the others mentioned previously in this thread (Pilot Road 3, Pilot Road 4) are excellent choices. Check out the tire reviews in this part (FZ-09 Wheels & Tires) of the forum prior to your thread. Bottom line... you walked away from a crash, and that's great news. Learn, repair, improve, enjoy!

...and consider installing frame and axle sliders. They aren't very expensive and would likely have prevented at least some of the damage to your FZ-09.

Best wishes!
 

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Make no mistake about it...the S20s are EXCELLENT tires - depending on the application. If they don't meet your needs in the cold, wet, or longevity, you'll need different tires. These are supersport tires, pure and simple and should be treated as such. That said, I've used these on the track in the rain. Personally, I'd happily take the S20's in the rain over my current Q3's. My only gripe with the S20 is with the rear. A harder center compound would go a long way for better wear. Hence, I only clocked 2,400 miles on the stockers.

If you're looking for excellent all around tires (hot, cold, wet, dry) and are looking for miles, pick up the Angel GT or Pilot Road 4. I personally prefer the Michelin (find the Angels to be a bit less communicative), but everyone has their preferences.
 

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I looked at the Angel GT and PR4 back then and the GT were cheaper by a good chunk. Since I never tried anyone of them, I went with the Angel GT. Great street tire and even did one track day with them... in the rain. Track never really died out to be honest. Tire perform well and the few time that I felt the bike drifting in the corner is was nice and smooth, good feedback. But PR4 has some great review also. Either tire are great I think.

I swap to Q3's for the track day, I was suppose to do a few but things and life got int he way and never went back. Did a lot of commuting on them and they are still on the bike. For a SS tire they pasted way ore than the S20. They are about done now. Rear have some life to it but I like to change them earlier than later... peace of mind. Angel GT take off are going back on for now since I don't plan on doing track days until later on this year.
 

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I do believe the S20's are multi-compound:

 

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that damage isn't bad for 40mph. ironically the rain probably helped a little...

i managed to get 8k miles out of the stock dunlops and at that point tread depth was getting pretty shallow. i took it real easy on the brakes when i got caught in the rain.

also, it's possible that you hit some oil/coolant/diesel while you were braking. they're bad enough in the dry, but much worse in the rain. and harder to spot.

what i do in the rain is - try to stay out of the center of the lane (it's where cars and trucks drip the slippery stuff, especially at intersections), and use a bit more back brake and a little less front brake. it's easier to recover from a locked rear than a locked front.

running pilot road 4's now and second what everybody else is saying about them - they're great.
 

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I'll be damned. Could have sworn it was a single compound, but clearly I'm wrong. Still...I felt it could have been more substantial.
They are still no high-milage by any means!
 

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Per our local Bridgestone rep, the OEM S20's are not multi-compound. Single, crappy compound.

He told me that after I was bitching to him about how unimpressed I was with the S20's, as I use 'Stones on track and get along quite well with them (003's, R10's, slicks). I expected more from a "Hypersport" tire...pretty much 003RS level of grip. I got a killer deal on some regular S20's so I'm going to give them a try. It's too cold and my bike is in pieces at the moment. I've always been happy with Pirelli tires on the street (Supercorsa and Diablo Rosso Corsa), and about went with those, but I ended up with the S20's for under $250 F/R so I figured I'd give them a try.

I did find the OEM S20's to work OK on the track. Felt a little slip, but I expected that running a street tire that hard. What I didn't like, was the feeling I got on spirited rides on the backroads of Arkansas. They never came in, just slipped around for two days. They were downright scary first thing in the morning when the temps were below 50. The rear is toast after 3000 mi or so. Front could do another 3k, but I'm swapping both to see the difference.

I'll be damned. Could have sworn it was a single compound, but clearly I'm wrong. Still...I felt it could have been more substantial.
 

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Tire TWI pics ?

if you dont know how to read the TWI bars after 15000 miles or more on your butt ...

consider it an expensive lesson.
 
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