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Is it possible to strip threads on oil pan by just removing an oil drain bolt ?
I had a hard time getting it out. Whole bike was moving when I was working on it.
I was trying to be carefull putting it back in. I was using torque wrench but as I was trying to get right force I noticed bolt getting loose. Once I took it out I also got shavings with it. So I'm not a happy camper now...
So this whole situation just sux, especially on the brand new bike. I'm still not sure how this happend. I talked to a dealer, they said that it would not get stripped on the way out, so basically it's my fault bc I forced it. We were talkin about putting "timesert" in it. Obviously cheaper then replacing the oil pan.
But when I talked to a guy at different shop he was tellling me not to go with that. He is saying get new parts, replace the whole thing, but that would run almost $600. I think the estimate was high on labor. It was about $240 on that alone.
What you guys think? Anybody has experience using timesert on oil pan ?
Am I the first person to mess up the bike on regular oil change ?
 

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is this the first oil change?

it's misleading to tell you that the pan would not get stripped when the plug is on the way out, because if the drain plug was over torqued on the previous install, then the next time the plug is removed the threads in the pan will come out with the plug... sometimes looking like a spring or coil of metal wrapped around the drain plug.

something like this:



or this



Don't consider a new pan. Use a Timesert and you'll have drain plug threads that are better/stronger than stock and will never strip out again (unless you're a gorilla).

All repairs of threads, regardless of the type of repair, depend absolutely on accurate drilling AND tapping.

Do NOT be lazy and take a shortcut and try to do the repair without removing the oil pan. The repair will end up crappy and it will always weep/leak. To do it properly, you'll need to remove the pan.
 

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It is first oil change and bolt was really tight from factory. The shavings I got out looked pretty similiar to that picture, just wasn't one piece like that. It looked more like couple seperate cicrles. I'm not ruling out that it was my doing either, but I was using torque wrench to avoid this kind of situation.
Now I'm thinking maybe my torque wrench is shot ? Or is Yamaha crazy with 31ft of torque for drain bolt ?
Come to think of it once I removed the bolt the washer was pretty flat on it. So maybe there was too much force on it ?
I just don't know and I'm going crazy over this.
I guess that's what I get for not trying spend money at dealer for first service.
 

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Install the pan yourself, get a new gasket, and a beer. This too shall pass.
Thx I was thinking to maybe do that , but after messed up oil change I'm iffy about doing pan myself since I never done one before.
Lucky Devil if I go with timesert then I will pay somebody to do it and pan will definetelly come off.
 

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I think 31 ft-lb is crazy.My car has a much bigger drain plug and the thread it goes into is a steel bush cast into the alloy sump during manufacturing and the recommended torque for that is only 30 ft-lb
 

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Thx I was thinking to maybe do that , but after messed up oil change I'm iffy about doing pan myself since I never done one before.
Lucky Devil if I go with timesert then I will pay somebody to do it and pan will definetelly come off.
To get the oil pan off you need to take the exhaust off and one sensor from the oil pan,then 16 screw to remove the pan.
All pretty easy.
 

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I think 31 ft-lb is crazy.My car has a much bigger drain plug and the thread it goes into is a steel bush cast into the alloy sump during manufacturing and the recommended torque for that is only 30 ft-lb
Ye next time I'm going by feel only. My torque wrench didn't even click at suggested torque setting and it was too late already.
 

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Bike shop I checked with said $192 for pan and $17 for a gasket.
The bolt thread size is M14. Call around some car mechanics and see if they can fix it for you. For a trained person, it only takes minutes.

If you have a truck and aren't comfortable taking the pan off, ask if they can do it with the pan on the bike.
 

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Honda East-Toledo has the pan for $119.60 and the oil pan gasket for $10.48. A new oil drain plug and washer is.. $4.41 and $1.24. There would be shipping involved also, depending on where you live I would guess. Here is a link to the page....

Parts Finder Honda East Toledo Maumee, OH 1-877-437-1631
 

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You were using a torque wrench to remove? I generally wouldn't do that. Seems all 09s come with the drain plug really tight, wouldn't be surprise me if it came from the factory damaged.

Also, because the bolt is upside down it is easy to get mixed up and turn it tighter when you are trying to take it off..., so maybe it is your fault. Not casting stones, I have to be careful about it too lol.
 

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So MSRP is $191.99 but they sell @ $119.60 !
Yep, everything they sell in the way of parts is discounted. I even bought my Yamaha 6300Watt Generator from them and it was discounted way off the MSRP pricing.
 

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Is it possible to strip threads on oil pan by just removing an oil drain bolt ?
I had a hard time getting it out. Whole bike was moving when I was working on it.
I was trying to be carefull putting it back in. I was using torque wrench but as I was trying to get right force I noticed bolt getting loose. Once I took it out I also got shavings with it. So I'm not a happy camper now...
So this whole situation just sux, especially on the brand new bike. I'm still not sure how this happend. I talked to a dealer, they said that it would not get stripped on the way out, so basically it's my fault bc I forced it. We were talkin about putting "timesert" in it. Obviously cheaper then replacing the oil pan.
But when I talked to a guy at different shop he was tellling me not to go with that. He is saying get new parts, replace the whole thing, but that would run almost $600. I think the estimate was high on labor. It was about $240 on that alone.
What you guys think? Anybody has experience using timesert on oil pan ?
Am I the first person to mess up the bike on regular oil change ?
Same thing happened to me. Except I did the exact thing mentioned by V2Bob. I turned my drain plug the wrong way while removing it. I ordered the oil pan, actually they call it a strainer cover assembly for $112 from Partshark.com. That part includes the drain plug and washer. The gasket was about $10 i think. I dropped off the bike at the mechanic and he called me to tell me it was done before I even made it back home.
 

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Could have been cross threaded from the factory like one of my fork tubes was.

Cap was still white knuckle tight after unseated for 4 full turns before it loosened up.
 

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Option 1: Get the new pan and gasket. I just looked at mine...shouldn't be a difficult process. Probably an hour taking your time.

Option 2: Drop the pan and have a local welding shop drill out the damages threads and weld in a bung. Probably pretty cheap.

Option 3: Timesert/thread repair kit. Will work but your dropping he pan anyway due to metal shavings while drilling and tapping.

Option 4: Drop pan. Drill out and retap drain hole using larger size bolt.

FWIW mine was stupid tight from the factory also. I don't use a torque wrench on drain bolts--never have and have done hundreds of changes. On bikes I use a new crush washer everytime, snug with a little calibrated "extra" and it's done.
 
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