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So I'm really tempted to get one of these, I've owned a bunch of bikes over the years but never one that had everything I wanted in a price range I could afford. This one looks to hit the spot but I'm very concerned about the suspension issues I keep reading about.
I'm 6' and about 230lbs, so it sounds like I'm a bit bulky for this suspension. Honestly though I don't want to dump a bunch of $$$ into a bike just to make it rideable. Is this really as bad as I'm reading?

Also, there are a couple dealers here local to me with a couple leftover 2014s. One is the grey model and was used as a demo bike and has about 500 miles on it. It also comes with a Yosh slip on and new tires and they are asking $7200 for it. My concern is, how was it treated by test riders and honestly I think the dealer/salesguy is a total DB!!!
The other dealer has one Orange/Black bike which is just all stock for the normal 7990 price, personally I really like the orange combo look as it's not the same thing everyone has, you know....
Which one you think is the best deal? I would think the demo bike with Yosh exhaust, but I have to deal with the DB dealer, but it's also a demo bike....????

I know they have both had the ECU mod done, what else do I really need to be Leary of, and is this thing going to disappoint.. keep in mind I'm a fatty but only an average street rider!
 

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First of all, welcome! I resemble your dimensions and am totally happy with the suspension and ride of the bike. Before people go of on me, I bought it to buzz around town on, take out on the super slab for 1-4 hour rides and have fun on. No canyons that I've found here in SE WI. And on the twisties that we have here in the hills, the bike is a blast to ride. I'm sure that it can be beefed up for a buy like us if we're going to really push it too.

I'd pop for the totally new bike for that price. The slip on might be great, but who knows what's been done on the bike as far as the tranny and break-in of the engine go. I too ride the sexiest color combo, Blazing Orange. I had the factory ECU flash done in August or so, made the bike even better to ride. i've got about 4k miles on mine and love it. A perfect companion/contrast to the Triumph Speedmaster that I bought in October to haul my lovely wife around on and to look hella cool on around town.

The FZ-09 is a great bike. Not a good first bike, but great when you expect what it can deliver, sounds like you do.

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So I'm really tempted to get one of these, I've owned a bunch of bikes over the years but never one that had everything I wanted in a price range I could afford. This one looks to hit the spot but I'm very concerned about the suspension issues I keep reading about.
I'm 6' and about 230lbs, so it sounds like I'm a bit bulky for this suspension. Honestly though I don't want to dump a bunch of $$$ into a bike just to make it rideable. Is this really as bad as I'm reading?

Also, there are a couple dealers here local to me with a couple leftover 2014s. One is the grey model and was used as a demo bike and has about 500 miles on it. It also comes with a Yosh slip on and new tires and they are asking $7200 for it. My concern is, how was it treated by test riders and honestly I think the dealer/salesguy is a total DB!!!
The other dealer has one Orange/Black bike which is just all stock for the normal 7990 price, personally I really like the orange combo look as it's not the same thing everyone has, you know....
Which one you think is the best deal? I would think the demo bike with Yosh exhaust, but I have to deal with the DB dealer, but it's also a demo bike....????

I know they have both had the ECU mod done, what else do I really need to be Leary of, and is this thing going to disappoint.. keep in mind I'm a fatty but only an average street rider!
 

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welcome to the forum. I'm 6'0 and 220lb geared. I ride pretty aggresively on the bike but i dont do track days (yet). The stock suspension for me was a mess - a lot of pogoing, front end dive, back end kick outs. I upgraded the rear to an ohlins shock sprung my my riding weight and it completely transformed the bike.

I'd suggest riding the bike and making changes as you see fit - everyone's experience varies but i would say on average, at your height and weight, even if you ride with some spirit you will want to swap out at least the rear shock.

I'm going to upgrade the front at some point but as i've said before - the rear solved 75% or so of the bikes suspension woes.

Also, what is your definition of dumping a lot of money into a bike? Given the price of the bike is so cheap - what else are you looking at?

You could go the used route - but you're not going to find many bikes comparable to the FZ...

A street triple r will likely need no suspension upgrades but it has less power and will run you $3k more. You can get a new rear shock in the FZ for 600-800 installed if you're not doing it yourself.
 

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I cannot reply about your dealers, it depends on your local and demand for the bike. If they have left overs anything even close to MSRP, is way out of line. Having said that , I'm 5 10 and 205, I had read about the suspension issues and the ECU map. I picked
up my 2015 on Jan 7. The ECU is very smooth, I never rode a 2014. In the STD mode the throttle is aggressive and you need to have a plan b, some open road and light to no traffic, if you plan to nail the motor . I adjusted my forks and shock according to the Sport Rider spec and have been generally please. I am a street rider (almost 50 years) and have no delusions of my ability to ride. I don't drag my knees, wheelie or down shift hard. The hazards of the street are always my prime concern. I slow down early, accelerate smooth, and keep my head out looking and trying to predict hazards. The bike is hoot! Very light, with a responsive engine. The stock tires are, OEM stock tires, I will use them to break the engine and me in. Some (lots) of folks seem to delight in upgrading or changing the bike as soon as they have it home, and I think that is great. I did buy some case protections and frame sliders as those parts seem vulnerable. There is a wealth of information on the Forum, it is excellent. I think the bike as stock is perfectly usable. Hope this helps. And welcome to the best danged form on the internet!

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I've seen too many aholes overrev bikes on a test ride to "check the rev limiter" or something equally as dumb. With a DB for a salesman I'd really avoid it.

I'm 6'3" 235 and carry a 150lb passenger for spirited riding - but I put in heavier fork springs and oil. Before that it was fine as a commuter with spirit - but I couldn't lean it hard into a corner unless I could do it without braking because the forks would dive when I touched my brakes.
 

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Hmmmmmm. I don't think there is an easy answer to your questions. I assume you have ridden KTM suspension before (katoom) :) - so, depending on your riding style you may be disappointed. I love riding safe but aggressive, and the stock suspension for 190lbs does not cut it at all. I knew that before buying this bike, so the money was set aside and plans made to make those changes, and it is totally worth it for the riding position, looks, MOTOR, and makes this bike exactly what I wanted. Why not pay more for a speed triple without needing the suspension upgrades? Because I wanted THIS bike. If you want THIS bike, go for it. If you want A bike, especially one you don't have to upgrade, then don't.

If you do pull the trigger, I would suggest the new one. Yosh pipe? Blah- especially if there is not an ECU map for it, block off plates, etc. 500 test miles? So how many people have helped you "break in" that bike? YIKES! And, I bet the warranty was activated when the first test rider left the lot. I would buy new, and since it's 2015 already that dealer may not drop the price, but might give you a Y.E.S. warranty for free.

(Plus, if you have KTM gear, it will match the orange) :)

Good luck!
 

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Typically warranty doesn't start until bike is sold, demo bike or not meaning that bike should have a full one year warranty. I wouldn't buy a demo bike with 500 miles either though.
 

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If you listen to Steve and a few others then Red is fastest color . I'm big as heavy as two people and the front comes down hard from accidental wheelies , it can fold your wrist. I suggest you consider spending huge amounts of money on one of these gizmos click here for extreme link and you'll wave to them Red ones -see ya
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welcome to the forum. I'm 6'0 and 220lb geared. I ride pretty aggresively on the bike but i dont do track days (yet). The stock suspension for me was a mess - a lot of pogoing, front end dive, back end kick outs. I upgraded the rear to an ohlins shock sprung my my riding weight and it completely transformed the bike.

I'd suggest riding the bike and making changes as you see fit - everyone's experience varies but i would say on average, at your height and weight, even if you ride with some spirit you will want to swap out at least the rear shock.

I'm going to upgrade the front at some point but as i've said before - the rear solved 75% or so of the bikes suspension woes.

Also, what is your definition of dumping a lot of money into a bike? Given the price of the bike is so cheap - what else are you looking at?

You could go the used route - but you're not going to find many bikes comparable to the FZ...

A street triple r will likely need no suspension upgrades but it has less power and will run you $3k more. You can get a new rear shock in the FZ for 600-800 installed if you're not doing it yourself.
Exactly what Beck said... If you want a bike just like this then it will run you higher $$.. The only necessary upgrade I recommend is the suspension.. and obviously the recall stuff but that should be taken care of by now. If you don't like putting extra money into the bike and would rather just get a bike that is set to go, then I personally would recommend a used Ducati Monster or another used naked bike.

..I love the Ducati Monsters.. especially the 1200s..
 

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Exactly what Beck said... If you want a bike just like this then it will run you higher $$.. The only necessary upgrade I recommend is the suspension.. and obviously the recall stuff but that should be taken care of by now. If you don't like putting extra money into the bike and would rather just get a bike that is set to go, then I personally would recommend a used Ducati Monster or another used naked bike.

..I love the Ducati Monsters.. especially the 1200s..
To eliminate to Pogo effect Id recommend also doing the front forks. Figure around $350 installed. Going the Used route makes a lot of sense....Perhaps a Used 2014 low mileage FZ09 or an FZ07 -- They're out there now. Check CL and CycleTrader within 150 miles of you're home.

And of course, there's bikes like this one out there too: :cool:

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Good info guys thanks, I'm left really torn though. I do really like everything about this bike accept I'm very spooked by the suspension and I know it would be a year or more before I could do anything about it.
Could I live with it stock for that long, hard to say, but it's unlikely. And yes I ride/race KTM dirtbikes, currently on a '13 450XCF and it's a beast!!!!!

Before I saw this bike the 1200 Ducati Monster was on my short list, price just spooked me off....
 

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I went almost a year. It was still fun but way safer when I straightened out the back end. It really depends on your riding style and what you're using the bike for (e.g. Commuting vs weekend rides)
 

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I would be a little wary of demo bikes depending on how the dealer allows for the demo rides. When I was a Triumph dealer with my buddy to pick up his T100, they just tossed us the keys to a Bonneville and Street Triple let us take it out wherever we wanted with no supervision which means that we could have abused the heck out of the bike. I am bringing this up as I was also demoing a bunch of the bikes at the IMS last year and a lot of people were just trying to pop wheelies but end up dropping the front down very hard which is not good for the fork seals/forks and the escorts had to stop the demo as those guys were just presenting a danger to everyone around them. And in regards to dealers I like to go with dealers that I like and I ended up driving to a dealer 50 mi away from me even though there were a few that were way closer but I did not like their attitude/service. All in all, this is just my 2 cents on demo bikes and dealers so take it with a grain of salt. On the other hand, the FZ-09 is a fantastic bike although I do need to adjust the factory suspension settings a bit to my weight and I think it will be fine for 80% of my riding which is commuting in traffic.
 

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Good info guys thanks, I'm left really torn though. I do really like everything about this bike accept I'm very spooked by the suspension and I know it would be a year or more before I could do anything about it.
Could I live with it stock for that long, hard to say, but it's unlikely. And yes I ride/race KTM dirtbikes, currently on a '13 450XCF and it's a beast!!!!!

Before I saw this bike the 1200 Ducati Monster was on my short list, price just spooked me off....
Don't let the suspension scare you off, you can fix it cheap or expensive. I'm a full size human, 1.9? Meters tall and around 100kgs.
Cheap fixes are new front springs and heavier oil and less air gap will get you in the ballpark, and a zx6 or 10 shock will get you close at the back. I've had a ktm640sm before (put about 20,000ks on it in a year and a bit). seating postion on the MT is very similar, sitting on it feels just as narrow. A lot less paint shaker like,though, and more power.
 

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Don't let the suspension scare you off, you can fix it cheap or expensive. I'm a full size human, 1.9? Meters tall and around 100kgs.
Cheap fixes are new front springs and heavier oil and less air gap will get you in the ballpark, and a zx6 or 10 shock will get you close at the back. I've had a ktm640sm before (put about 20,000ks on it in a year and a bit). seating postion on the MT is very similar, sitting on it feels just as narrow. A lot less paint shaker like,though, and more power.
Remember, the OP may not have anywhere near the Street Experience and skill level you've developed over the years. This is all great info for him and it all boils down to how this information jives with his particular circumstances.:)
 
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Katoom,

Time is on your side here. I'm a neighbor of yours up in West Bend. Since it's winter, you won't be able to ride for several months yet. This gives you time to look for used FZs that have the suspension and a lot of other mods all sorted out and for less money than a new one. You just missed an excellent buy on a 2014 in Slinger. A couple of sellers this fall said they were putting them into winter storage and would be reposting them in spring. They're out there and they also come up frequently in the classified section on this forum. Make sure and check there frequently.

I bought my 2015 model in Port Washington and it's a good dealership. I still have less than 10 miles on it, so I can't give an opinion on the suspension yet. But, at 160 lbs, I probably will be just fine with adjustments. Like you said, there aren't any canyons to carve around here. Most of us on this forum have owned a variety of decent bikes and can't say enough good things about the FZ-09. Those who have done suspension mods really needed to due to their riding styles and they all said this bike was well worth spending a little more on given what they ended up with. If you go out out and buy some other bike for $8000 or less new, it simply won't be on the same level as this bike.
 

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I would not worry too much about it being a demo bike.

Yes it may have been "ridden hard" but I really doubt it was hurt.

Personally I would rather have a bike that was ridden hard during break in than one that was babied.

A friend of mine owns the local shop down the street. He had a Super Duke in a while back with oil consumption problems. He had to pull the top end off and hone and ring it. The guy had babied it too much and the rings never did seat in.

The main thing you break in on modern engines are the rings. When you get on the gas hard this forces the rings out and puts pressure on the cylinder walls and they seat to match the cylinder wall.

This is how I broke in my FZ. It runs very strong and does not use a drop of oil or smoke at all.

Don't let the "demo bike" thing scare you away.
 

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Remember, the OP may not have anywhere near the Street Experience and skill level you've developed over the years. This is all great info for him and it all boils down to how this information jives with his particular circumstances.:)
maybe not, but what i was saying was that the ergo's between the only KTM ive owned were very similar to the MT (and now i think about it, similar to the ktm 1290 i test rode). which may mean that it may have similar ergos to his current ktms.
easier to jump on an MT and feel at home, than on a new gixxer.
 

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I'm 230, 6'1" and the stock suspension does not come close to working for me. But I am not your average rider. I require good responsive handling to the tune of a well set up sportbike on every bike I own.

Not everyone requires that.

The suspension upgrades range from about $200-300 up to about $2500 for full on Ohlins front and rear and several price points in between. It just depends on how much adjustability you want and how well the suspension will work in different settings.

There are many many threads about suspension upgrades so search them out.

IMO, unless you are a relatively mild rider AND weigh 150 or less, then you need to upgrade the suspension, at least a little (fork oil, fork springs), so that the bike can perform anywhere near its potential.
 
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Well I'm going to go check out that '14 demo bike on Sat, if it's really clean still and the sales guy is not to much of a dick I'll likely snatch it up. Roads here are dry as a bone and temps have been in the 50's for days. Forecast is calling for more crazy warm weather and I'm itching to ride.....
 
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