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I currently ride with a shift offroad jacket which works fine but doesnt fit the style of the FZ-09 and is hot.
I am looking at the Icon overlord type 1 or contra jackets.I am leaning towards the overlord as it has more protection and i like the looks.
Any fellows riders have experience with these two jackets and what are the pros and cons?? Thanks!!
 

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In terms of protection they are both about the same, with the same armor package and the same ballistic nylon in the impact zones. The main difference between them is that the Contra will be a lot more well ventilated (the venting on the Overlord textile jacket is only so-so) and has a much more relaxed fit. The Overlord series has a different fit pattern that is designed more with sportbike riders in mind. It has a more form fitting fit to it and there is a precurve to it that the Contra doesn't have, so it will feel more supportive in a tuck, but be more uncomfortable off the bike. That being said if you are looking at Icon and can spare the difference I STRONGLY recommend upgrading to either the Sanctuary jacket (basically a Contra but with race-grade leather in the impact zone, MUCH more protective) or the Overlord full perforated leather jacket. And if you're not willing to spend that much I'd look to brands other than Icon because you can get a proper leather jacket which will be very good in heat due to perforations and be WAY more protective for about the same price from other brands.

EDIT: For only a little bit more than those textile jackets you're looking at you can get either of these leather jackets. Although not high end, they will be infinitely more protective and due to being full perf vent just as well.

Speed and Strength Top Dead Center Leather Jacket - Black from SportbikeTrackGear.com - Also available in red and blue. Choose this one if you want a more relaxed fit similar to the Contra.

Speed and Strength Top Dead Center Leather Jacket - Black from SportbikeTrackGear.com - Also available in black/white/red, black/white/silver, black/white/blue. More aggressive/race fit, similar to Overlord.

AGV Sport Breeze Perforated Leather Jacket Black from SportbikeTrackGear.com - Very muted/old school styling. Also available with red, blue, or orange accents. More relaxed fit, similar to Contra.

If you are dead set on sticking with Icon as a brand go for the Sanctuary jacket. http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=36287 Available in a bunch of colors. You get a discount for ordering over the phone from STG because their sales reps can undercut advertised MSRP.
 

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Agree with weaponzero, i've never seen anything icon makes that is good quality.

$450 gets you an astars jaws leather jacket which is far superior than anything icon imo

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Agree with weaponzero, i've never seen anything icon makes that is good quality.

$450 gets you an astars jaws leather jacket which is far superior than anything icon imo

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STG will get you a massive discount on that. And the new GP Plus R is $50 cheaper than the Jaws and just as good (just no removable liner). I got it for $339 OTD after the phone rep discount.

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=36423 I just ordered one =D

Here is the Jaws

http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=36428

For all intents and purposes they're basically the same jacket except the GP Plus R vents a little bit better and the Jaws includes a removable thermal vest liner.
 

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STG will get you a massive discount on that. And the new GP Plus R is $50 cheaper than the Jaws and just as good (just no removable liner). I got it for $339 OTD after the phone rep discount.
Stg? I get my stuff from riders discount through svrider but can't talk about pricing I don't think.

My understanding of the jaws vs gpr (and I could be wrong) in relation to the FZ riding position is the gpr is a more aggressive cut and won't vent as well as the jaws which is still aggressive but not as much as the gpr.

I also just got a Viper air textile jacket with the same armor but obviously less protection than leather jaws for sub $200 and uses the same upgraded back protector.



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Stg? I get my stuff from riders discount through svrider but can't talk about pricing I don't think.

My understanding of the jaws vs gpr (and I could be wrong) is the gpr is a more aggressive cut and won't vent as well as the jaws which is still aggressive but not as much as the gpr.

I also just got a Viper air textile jacket with the same armor but obviously less protection than leather jaws for sub $200 and uses the same upgraded back protector.



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GP Plus R is not GPR. GP Plus R just came out. GPR has been out a few years. They both vent as well. All of their sub-$450 leather jackets use the same pattern, so the GP Plus, GPR, Jaws, and GP Plus R have a mild sport cut. There is a precurve to them that is not as drastic as what you will find in the top half of a 2 piece race suit but not so drastic it is uncomfortable off the bike. In terms of ventilation (assuming perf versions), the GPR and GP Plus R are equal as they're pretty much perf all over. Just behind them is the Jaws, which does not have as much perf but uses 2 conventional style zipper vents near the shoulders to supplement the perf it does have. Behind them is the GP Plus which has moderate perf and that's it.
 

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I have the Icon airframe carbon helmet which i like alot. I dont need to stick with icon but the helmet is quality imo and i thought the jackets looked good but i have never owned any of them.
 

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I have the Icon airframe carbon helmet which i like alot. I dont need to stick with icon but the helmet is quality imo and i thought the jackets looked good but i have never owned any of them.
Their helmets are pretty good, although I wouldn't own one as my ONLY helmet. In the US many track day orgs require the use of a SNELL certified helmet and don't honor the Europe equivalent (which is what Icon uses). I would want a 100% TD legal helmet at least to keep around. That being said, their gear is another matter entirely. They're not bad per se, it's just that they tend to cater more to people who put form before function and are willing to pay a little bit of a premium for it.

EDIT: I wouldn't recommend having a textile jacket as your only/main jacket. Keep one around that's strictly for use in the kind of weather conditions your leather jacket isn't well suited for (cold temps/rain) but that's about it. Trust me, leather is the way to go. And you don't have to spend that much more to get a leather jacket.
 

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I only wear leather when I going for a ride just to ride. Most of the time I am commuting, or riding between jobs sites, I can be on the bike for 3 or 4 hours a day.
Textile jackets, no matter on the brand, ARE disposable. One decent crash, and they will be toast. Leather will last more than one crash (usually). However, since I have been riding for close to 20 years now, I am on the bike far more often than I fall off. Textile jackets are so much lighter and easier to walk around in off the bike. It's a trade off, and I accept it.
I use a dianese air frame, and a dainese gator evo goretex. If you choose textile, get one with the best armour (including back) as you can - the armour will protect you once the textile wears through. Yes, personal experience, and no, no road rash. The jacket sacrificed it's life for mine. Wasn't that nice of it?
 

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I have two Icon Leather jackets and have been happy with both of them. I have a motorhead which i have had for years, and an overlord perf. it vents well, and has decent armor (especially if you swap in the d30). I am not a fanboy, I shop around and am not afraid to drop good money on my gear...but the overlord did a good job for a perf jacket.
 

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I only wear leather when I going for a ride just to ride. Most of the time I am commuting, or riding between jobs sites, I can be on the bike for 3 or 4 hours a day.
Textile jackets, no matter on the brand, ARE disposable. One decent crash, and they will be toast. Leather will last more than one crash (usually). However, since I have been riding for close to 20 years now, I am on the bike far more often than I fall off. Textile jackets are so much lighter and easier to walk around in off the bike. It's a trade off, and I accept it.
I use a dianese air frame, and a dainese gator evo goretex. If you choose textile, get one with the best armour (including back) as you can - the armour will protect you once the textile wears through. Yes, personal experience, and no, no road rash. The jacket sacrificed it's life for mine. Wasn't that nice of it?
I have 2 textile jackets: A Cortech one that is waterproof and has a very substantial thermal liner, and a Dainese one that is heavily ventilated. If I'm commuting to and from work, I'm wearing one of these two jackets. For anything else, though, I put on my "nice" jacket. I think textile can be a more practical choice for people who make a lot of short jaunts on their bike (commuting, for instance), purely because of the many ways it can give you to prepare for whatever mother nature might throw at you. But for pleasure riding leather is just SO much better. And the way it holds you in the riding position and supports you is something I consider to be a performance upgrade for the bike because of what it does for your body position in cornering.
 

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I have two Icon Leather jackets and have been happy with both of them. I have a motorhead which i have had for years, and an overlord perf. it vents well, and has decent armor (especially if you swap in the d30). I am not a fanboy, I shop around and am not afraid to drop good money on my gear...but the overlord did a good job for a perf jacket.
I can agree in that I am not one of those people who discounts Icon gear on principle. I will happily try out their leather, just not their textile. The lowest I would go (in terms of Icon gear) is their Sanctuary jacket which is a textile/leather hybrid with the D3O armor. However I would much prefer an Overlord or something else along those lines. I just wouldn't buy one myself because I do believe you get more for your money from other brands. If price is that much of a concern then you just can't beat AGV Sport or Cortech IMO for quality.
 

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I have 2 textile jackets: A Cortech one that is waterproof and has a very substantial thermal liner, and a Dainese one that is heavily ventilated. If I'm commuting to and from work, I'm wearing one of these two jackets. For anything else, though, I put on my "nice" jacket. I think textile can be a more practical choice for people who make a lot of short jaunts on their bike (commuting, for instance), purely because of the many ways it can give you to prepare for whatever mother nature might throw at you. But for pleasure riding leather is just SO much better. And the way it holds you in the riding position and supports you is something I consider to be a performance upgrade for the bike because of what it does for your body position in cornering.
So you would recommend textile as a main jacket then? First you're all about leather, then textile is good for everyday.
I is confused.

Anyway, something else to remember with textiles is that because the armours also provides abrasion resistance, the jacket needs to be tight enough that the armour will be held in place in a crash. Some American brands are too big and baggy for my liking. The cut of the two tex jackets I have fit me better than the icon tex - and the air frame jacket was only about $300 Aus. The separate back protector was another $100, but I swap that between my 2 dianese jackets.
 

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So you would recommend textile as a main jacket then? First you're all about leather, then textile is good for everyday.
I is confused.

Anyway, something else to remember with textiles is that because the armours also provides abrasion resistance, the jacket needs to be tight enough that the armour will be held in place in a crash. Some American brands are too big and baggy for my liking. The cut of the two tex jackets I have fit me better than the icon tex - and the air frame jacket was only about $300 Aus. The separate back protector was another $100, but I swap that between my 2 dianese jackets.
I think you misunderstand what I was trying to say. What I was trying to get at was this: There's really only one thing textile jackets are good at, that a leather jacket isn't better at: Adapting to poor weather conditions (extreme heat, cold, rain) that would otherwise discourage you from wanting to ride. For that reason, if you're a commuter who doesn't have the luxury of being able to look at the weather forecast and say "nah, I'm gonna leave it parked for the day," they're a good thing to have, and almost a necessity. But they are not a replacement for a leather jacket, which should be what you turn to when the weather is ideal for riding, regardless of whether you're riding for pleasure or for commuting.

EDIT: Also, I agree that a jacket should be as form fitting as possible for optimum safety. However, when you're a commuter, you may often have to make a compromise there for the purposes of wearing work clothes underneath or layering up. So the fact that textile jackets often tend to be looser-fitting can be both a blessing and a curse to commuters.
 

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Not sure what Icon jacket this is/was ...

Some suggestion that a bar end snagged on an open pocket but still quite surprising how much damage there was.

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Not sure what Icon jacket this is/was ...

Some suggestion that a bar end snagged on an open pocket but still quite surprising how much damage there was.

That is the Icon Compound mesh/leather hybrid. It uses leather in what they call the "critical impact zones" which are the forearms, elbows, shoulders, and parts of the back. The rest of the jacket, however, is made from the same grade of mesh they use in their Hooligan line of mesh jackets.
 

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If you are going to have only one jacket, ride everyday in all conditions and even tour, textile is the way to go. American cut usually means baggy but European cuts like the Daineses and Rev'Its are form fitting with lots of adjustments that will make life comfortable riding. I have crashed in a Joe Rocket textile at about 30/40 and I came off without a single tear or thread coming apart- just some scuff marks. Textiles have developed a lot since the time they came out first- their abrasion resistance is much better and the combined armor give very high levels of protection than people give them credit for.
For track days or if you are only a weekend warrior, leather would be a good choice. Just remember that leather has severely limited use as an everyday jacket unless you live in amazingly cool and predictable weather (where is such a place btw?) and with no traffic. Even in mesh jackets, I have sweated my ass off in Indian summers and in vented textile jackets in the humid mornings of NYC (esp in traffic). Simple fact is that if you are uncomfortable and hot while riding, you will be distracted and make more mistakes. Also, there is a reason you won't see people who go around the world don leather suits for that job. It just is not meant for it.
See what your needs are- choices are unlimited and so are our opinions. In the end, it's up to you. But yes, textile or leather, always gear up.
 
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