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Hi,

I was planning on getting new cartridges for my MT 09 this winter. However, as I don't ride track i can't justify spending the needed amout of money (>1000 $) so I'm looking for the best way to improve the forks on a budget.

Will new springs and oil be sufficient for spirited street riding or should I at look something like the K-tech 20SSK piston kit?

I'm hoping to keep within a budget of 400'ish $ (if that's possible).

Recommendations and experiences will be much appreciated.
 

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Im no expert so I might be totally wrong here, but my understanding is that getting a good set of Forks+cartridges tuned for your weight and riding style by a shop that knows what it is doing will give you the most benefit (Ohlins are the only company that I know that sets complete forks) and cost the most. (Way more than $400 and likely unavailable for an FZ)

After that a cartridge kit and springs installed by a shop that knows what they are doing and tuned for your weight would give you the next best benefit (>$400)

After that a valve kit and springs installed by a shop that knows what they are doing and tuned for your weight would give you the next best benefit (about $400 or a little more)

After that springs and oil and then getting your suspension tuned for your weight/riding style (<$400)

After that getting your current suspension tuned for your weight (<$400)

After that checking your air pressure and playing with different ratios front and rear

After that putting on some Ohlin stickers on yo forks and pretending.
 

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find someone that's replacing their stock cartridges, get Sonic springs from Stoltec, new fork oil, either use the same shim stack or remove some of the shims from the stack...rebuild and you're set. this is a cheap and easy way to get a better ride out of the stock parts. do what you want, it's your money...I did the before mentioned and worked great for me. like yourself, keeping it within reason for how I ride. If money wasn't an issue, sure I'd have the big name brand stuff installed.
 

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Stoltec and forks by matt both have budget front fork setups ranging from $330 to $380 or so, you need to check.

Nick from stoltec is starting a core exchange program that gets you 85% to 90% toward great shocks without spending alot.

Matt offers the same thing with his setup called intermediate which also gets you close to the 85% to 90% of what you would expect great shocks to be.

I actually had matt do mine today, shocks not back onto the bike yet but will be very soon. Im getting rid of that brake dive and pogo issue.
 

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Thanks for your replies :)

If I lived in the US (or nearby), a budget setup from Stoltec of Forks by Matt would most likely be the solution I would choose.

However, I live in Scandinavia so the shippings costs would make it less of a budget solution.

I like working on my own bike and feel fairly confident in doing the fork upgrade myself, so the 400 $ would only need to cover parts.

I'm wondering if springs and oil would be sufficient upgrade which is why I'm considering the K-tech 20SSK piston kit, but it's difficult to find any reviews.
 

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Thanks for your replies :)

If I lived in the US (or nearby), a budget setup from Stoltec of Forks by Matt would most likely be the solution I would choose.

However, I live in Scandinavia so the shippings costs would make it less of a budget solution.

I like working on my own bike and feel fairly confident in doing the fork upgrade myself, so the 400 $ would only need to cover parts.

I'm wondering if springs and oil would be sufficient upgrade which is why I'm considering the K-tech 20SSK piston kit, but it's difficult to find any reviews.
My 2 cents - I'd take Matt up on his offer. I have the intermediate setup and its "WAY BETTER" than stock. Matt is good to work with - He will set you up right, however you choose to do so.
 

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My 2 cents - I'd take Matt up on his offer. I have the intermediate setup and its "WAY BETTER" than stock. Matt is good to work with - He will set you up right, however you choose to do so.
I also have the intermediate option and can confirm its WAY better than stock. Not only is all of the harshness of the stock for gone over the high speed impacts (seriously, the difference here blew me away) but brake dive is hugely reduced and the front of the bike now feels completely planted in the corners. This makes the bike hold a line much better which inspires a lot more confidence and allows you to pick your lines more accurately as you're not concentrating so hard on just trying to keep the bike on the road :)

I'm not sure how much better if at all any of the other options I was looking at might have been but they were all 3 times the price so for what I paid I'm a very happy customer !
 

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I'm not sure how much better if at all any of the other options I was looking at might have been but they were all 3 times the price so for what I paid I'm a very happy customer !
I have to agree - Matt's intermediate setup is half the cost of the Andreani fork cartridges with fix. The majority of the other aftermarket front fort cartridges are 3 to 4 times more expensive than the intermediate option. Never had other aftermarket fork setups on the FZ, but i am a happy camper with Matt's setup for sure.

You are right deeparmour, the harshness of the stock is gone over high speed impacts, my other favorite part of the setup is how the rebound adjustment is corrected in the intermediate setup. You can really feel the rebound difference due to drilling the rebound orifice to 2 mm from 1.5 (OEM).

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Cant speak for the stoltec rebuild, others are happy with that as well.
 

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I have to agree - Matt's intermediate setup is half the cost of the Andreani fork cartridges with fix. The majority of the other aftermarket front fort cartridges are 3 to 4 times more expensive than the intermediate option. Never had other aftermarket fork setups on the FZ, but i am a happy camper with Matt's setup for sure.

You are right deeparmour, the harshness of the stock is gone over high speed impacts, my other favorite part of the setup is how the rebound adjustment is corrected in the intermediate setup. You can really feel the rebound difference due to drilling the rebound orifice to 2 mm from 1.5 (OEM).

Cant speak for the stoltec rebuild, others are happy with that as well.
The compression adjustment also has a surprisingly wide range I found. All the way out is extremely plush and soaks up everything like a bike with way more travel (a little disconnected feeling I found as it was soaking things up so well you don't really get any feedback from the front) but winding it in all the way slows the fork down so much brake dive basically disappears all together and I was only using less than half the travel even riding some pretty rough roads. Even with it set full slow it was still much less harsh than stock on the high speed impacts. I'm currently running it one turn out from full slow (full range is 3 turns) and it's a good balance between front end feedback / feel and comfort :)
 

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I'll be happy to send you the valve assemblies and parts to get to 'Intermediate'. Postage is about $17. You should be able to find a domestic source for springs. Sending PM.
I'm also interested in your 'Intermediate' package. Could you drop me a PM with costs for the valve assemblies and postage to the
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Hi everyone,

For what it is worth I was looking at doing the full Nitron cartridge kit when my local shop suggested the best value would be to resprings/ and change the valving. I went with 14+ FZ-09/FJ-09/XSR900 GP Suspension Fork Piston Kit Nick (Stoltecmoto), was very good to work with and arrange shipping to Canada. The one thing I found was that the springs may be on the stiffer side, this was improved by working with my local shop and doing some geometry changes. The reason for the springs perhaps being a little bit too hard is maybe the changes I have made to the bike which reduce the wait. The improvement is ridiculous the preciseness and consistency of steering the feedback and the way it manages bumps is awesome it gives you so much confidence. That being said you don't feel that you're pushing the bike to the limits or on the edge of the abilities of the suspension therefore a little bit of the fun is taken out of it, and you will find yourself running through corners faster than before with the ease. As for just getting your springs done you will see an vast improvement and increase your safety tremendously. I would consider getting the valving, either from Nick or GP Suspension specifically because they have included a feature that seriously improves high-speed compression, when you're riding on less-than-perfect roads this feature makes it more comfortable/safer.

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Hi all, Im aware this is a much talked about subject. Does anyone have the fork shim stack configuration for the later model double active forks. I have a 2015 single active fork and been given another active internal to upgrade.
 

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Hi all, Im aware this is a much talked about subject. Does anyone have the fork shim stack configuration for the later model double active forks. I have a 2015 single active fork and been given another active internal to upgrade.
I recall 7 shims in the stack, but don't quote me on that. removed a few from both forks when my rebuild was done. first set of forks I used Sonic springs from Stoltec and on the second set don't remember, it's been a few years...
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I did front K-Tech cartridges, springs and seals and K-Tech rear shock with reservoir on my 2017 FJ 09. It's pretty amazing. There is way back road about 2 miles length and non stop frost heaves on the complete length. I can now scream my bike down this road and it's perfectly comfortable. Around turns it runs on rails.

I'm not sure but I thought I read that the 2017 were better than the older models. I got the oem stuff if anyone is interested. I bought the bike in November as a leftover and did the forks in February so the was less than 1000 miles on them. I'm not making any claims as to the accuracy of the newer suspension being different or superior to the old but I'm sure people on here know the answer.
 
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