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Hi there I recently bought a 2015 mt09 with only 800 km's. I have changed the exhaust to gpr not too loud, front head light and rear all in one light ,ohlins shock. Now, I am new here but I have read loads from here on front suspension. I am not a track rider ,I'm an easy going driver overall. Here where I live in kerry, the roads are twisty which is fine but can be bumpy ,I've had a few corners where the pogo stick thing happened and I did get a fright in one or two corners and obviously the brake dive happens ,that really annoys me ,so here's the holy grail of questions....what suspension fix should I make ,I'm not an aggressive driver, but I want my bike to be comfortable over bumps , the andreani's seem harsh ,I don't know about springs and oil, my budget is around €600 mark . I just want no pogo stick no brake dive and comfortable over bumps . I can't find an answer for that here, so if anyone can help I'd be grateful. I will do the work myself. Cheers to anyone who reads this.
 

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I had the high speed comp damping circuit modified on my Andreanis and it made a noticeable improvement. But a light bike like the 09 will never be plush.
 

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I did it to mine and the result was magical. Nick knows his sh$t! I ride rather sporty but not trackday sporty, some of the roads here aren't in the greatest shape and the ride is firm without being harsh. The reduction in fork dive was noticible also.

Cartridges may have been a bit better overall but I'm more than happy with the results.
 

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Cheers, did you do this and if so, how do ya find it?
I moved the same FPK from my first 2014 to my second 2014. Now have ohlins nix 30 in my 17.
The only difference i could feel is a tiny, tiny bit of brake dive with the FPK that i fixed with a new FZ1 master cylinder. Brake dive caused by me not getting along with the stock MC.

Stoltec was the reason penske made a rear sho k for the 09s. And sonic springs, and gp cartidges, and woodcraft. He even modelled the shape for tech specs tank grips.
The FPK at about $400 aus gets damn near the same result as $2K aus for ohlins nix 30.

He makes brilliant gear, and knows 09s inside and out.

Why did i do ohlins this time? I found a steal of a deal on the ohlins at a local dealer. Otherwise i would have done the FPK again.
 

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I did it to mine and the result was magical. Nick knows his sh$t! I ride rather sporty but not trackday sporty, some of the roads here aren't in the greatest shape and the ride is firm without being harsh. The reduction in fork dive was noticible also.

Cartridges may have been a bit better overall but I'm more than happy with the results.
Cheers I must look into that, I don't think I would be able to do that myself . Cartridges and springs yes ,but taking them apart and reassembling ? I think you need a blow torch and more specialist tools. Are there any cartridges that aren't harsh over bumps ,I wonder.
 

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I moved the same FPK from my first 2014 to my second 2014. Now have ohlins nix 30 in my 17.
The only difference i could feel is a tiny, tiny bit of brake dive with the FPK that i fixed with a new FZ1 master cylinder. Brake dive caused by me not getting along with the stock MC.

Stoltec was the reason penske made a rear sho k for the 09s. And sonic springs, and gp cartidges, and woodcraft. He even modelled the shape for tech specs tank grips.
The FPK at about $400 aus gets damn near the same result as $2K aus for ohlins nix 30.

He makes brilliant gear, and knows 09s inside and out.

Why did i do ohlins this time? I found a steal of a deal on the ohlins at a local dealer. Otherwise i would have done the FPK again.
. It looks like the perfect solution but between the cost and duties here 23% and then I don't know if I could find someone specialised enough to do it. That's why I'd favour the cartridge route but I dont think the ones around 600 ish will do it. First World problems
 

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Have you looked at the K-tech 20 IDS cartridge kit? The stoltec option is within your budget but 2015 doesn't have adjustable compression meaning if the compression circuit doesn't feel right for you the shop will have to tear the fork leg apart and adjust the shim stack. Also you will have to find a shop to do this work unless you feel comfortable doing it yourself which it doesn't sound like you do. I bought the stoltec kit for my 2018 which has the adjustable compression but by the time I paid for shop services to install it I could have spent a bit more and got cartridges to install myself. Yes the Andreanis are a bit less but as many have mentioned they are harsh until you get the compression circuit modified. Lots to think about for sure...
 

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Have you looked at the K-tech 20 IDS cartridge kit? The stoltec option is within your budget but 2015 doesn't have adjustable compression meaning if the compression circuit doesn't feel right for you the shop will have to tear the fork leg apart and adjust the shim stack. Also you will have to find a shop to do this work unless you feel comfortable doing it yourself which it doesn't sound like you do. I bought the stoltec kit for my 2018 which has the adjustable compression but by the time I paid for shop services to install it I could have spent a bit more and got cartridges to install myself. Yes the Andreanis are a bit less but as many have mentioned they are harsh until you get the compression circuit modified. Lots to think about for sure...
Cheers for that ,you don't know if the ktech is harsh or are they softer than the andreanis?
 

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I had K-Tech cartridges on my 2017 FJ 09 which was identical to the FZ /MT 09 up until this newest generation. That was a plush and great handling set up. I would highly recommend K-Tech for all year MT 09. I currently have a K-Tech rear shock and Ohlins cartridges on my MT 10. I don't feel like Ohlins cartridges are any better.

I've heard a lot of people complain that Andreani's are harsh. I've said this before many times because I had to learn the hard way......If you call and ask for a recommendation from the cartridge manufacturers, they are going to give you a track spring set up. They are designed predominantly for racing. Track springs are miserable for the street as they are too harsh. Tracks are smooth, streets are not. I went 1 size lighter and it was night and day better on the street. Ohlins, K-tech, Traxion Dynamics, Stoltec, Nitron will all be excellent but with the wrong spring they all will suck.

As far as taking apart and assembling them, Once you figure out and do it, you realize it's not as complicated as you initially thought. You do need specialized fork tools as the cartridge tools are in the $90 - $130 range. The rest you can buy on Ebay for cheap. What you save in doing yourself is worth it. When you sell your motorcycle, you either sell them or buy the same brand cartridges on your new bike.

If you do track days, then I'd definitely learn how to do it myself as the advantage is that you can have a set of springs that are plush and handle on the street and do a swap to a heavier spring for the track as they are built for semi quick changing. I'd love to watch a pro race team do a spring swap at the track and learn their tricks for doing it fast.

This 2 Wheeled Obsession video is the best I've found for showing how to do cartridges or piston kits.
 

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. It looks like the perfect solution but between the cost and duties here 23% and then I don't know if I could find someone specialised enough to do it. That's why I'd favour the cartridge route but I dont think the ones around 600 ish will do it. First World problems
I paid a mech i trust to install for me. An hour, maybe, while we chatted and I watched. He is a racer, dyno tuner and engine builder, proper performance shop.
Not specialised suspension guys needed, just competent.
 

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The K-techs won't be as harsh as the andreanis. The andreanis were designed for racing/track use, the K-techs were designed for performance street use.
Very interested in these and they are around €600. Have you heard anything about mupo cartridges, I could get them all in for 500 including oil and postage?
 

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I had K-Tech cartridges on my 2017 FJ 09 which was identical to the FZ /MT 09 up until this newest generation. That was a plush and great handling set up. I would highly recommend K-Tech for all year MT 09. I currently have a K-Tech rear shock and Ohlins cartridges on my MT 10. I don't feel like Ohlins cartridges are any better.

I've heard a lot of people complain that Andreani's are harsh. I've said this before many times because I had to learn the hard way......If you call and ask for a recommendation from the cartridge manufacturers, they are going to give you a track spring set up. They are designed predominantly for racing. Track springs are miserable for the street as they are too harsh. Tracks are smooth, streets are not. I went 1 size lighter and it was night and day better on the street. Ohlins, K-tech, Traxion Dynamics, Stoltec, Nitron will all be excellent but with the wrong spring they all will suck.

As far as taking apart and assembling them, Once you figure out and do it, you realize it's not as complicated as you initially thought. You do need specialized fork tools as the cartridge tools are in the $90 - $130 range. The rest you can buy on Ebay for cheap. What you save in doing yourself is worth it. When you sell your motorcycle, you either sell them or buy the same brand cartridges on your new bike.

If you do track days, then I'd definitely learn how to do it myself as the advantage is that you can have a set of springs that are plush and handle on the street and do a swap to a heavier spring for the track as they are built for semi quick changing. I'd love to watch a pro race team do a spring swap at the track and learn their tricks for doing it fast.

This 2 Wheeled Obsession video is the best I've found for showing how to do cartridges or piston kits.
Thanks for the reply , I am interested in the ktech but it looks as if there are unique tools for ktech alone, I might be wrong and that's what put me off. I was looking online for the ktech cartridges and they are there ,but few and far between. I totally agree with what you said about track and street and I'm not a track guy and my roads can be bumpy so the reality is I need a setup to reflect our roads. The irony is that the oem setup is comfortable for me but as we all know when things get hairy on the corners ,it's no joke. Anyway I'm enjoying the searching online for the different products.👍👍
 

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Thanks for the reply , I am interested in the ktech but it looks as if there are unique tools for ktech alone, I might be wrong and that's what put me off. I was looking online for the ktech cartridges and they are there ,but few and far between. I totally agree with what you said about track and street and I'm not a track guy and my roads can be bumpy so the reality is I need a setup to reflect our roads. The irony is that the oem setup is comfortable for me but as we all know when things get hairy on the corners ,it's no joke. Anyway I'm enjoying the searching online for the different products.👍👍
All brands need their own cartridge tools. I have Ohlins and Stock Yamaha tools. Either buy the tools or pay someone 3 times what the tools cost to install.
 

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All brands need their own cartridge tools. I have Ohlins and Stock Yamaha tools. Either buy the tools or pay someone 3 times what the tools cost to install.
If I have the tools is it straight forward with the ktech ids ,what I mean by that ,there's no hidden traps ,eg like having to get a lathe and alter the existing forks?Cheers
 

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If I have the tools is it straight forward with the ktech ids ,what I mean by that ,there's no hidden traps ,eg like having to get a lathe and alter the existing forks?Cheers
Watch the video I posted earlier in this thread. He's doing a fork piston kit but it's the exact same process except that doing the entire cartridge is easier. That's assuming that the person attempting the installation has some decent mechanical skills.
 

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Watch the video I posted earlier in this thread. He's doing a fork piston kit but it's the exact same process except that doing the entire cartridge is easier. That's assuming that the person attempting the installation has some decent mechanical skills.
Yes I've seen a few cartridges being changed I could manage that, but I remember someone saying that ktech cartridges are different and there's no instructions with them that just put me off them
 
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