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EVERY ONE WITH A HYPERPRO AND THEIR CHINESE KNOCK OFF STEERING DAMPER PLEASE READ.
I would like to start off by testifying to all those who believe that everything in life is a mere statistical probability and chance of how wonderfully certain seemingly unrelated circumstances have very well prevented a catastrophic outcome and quite possibly loss of my own life. This afternoon I rode to work on my FZ-09 on an empty tank with reserve fuel gauge blinking, granted work only 10-miles from home round trip I did not stop by a gas station because I was running late to work. Needless to say I was riding easy and grandma soft in effort to maximize fuel efficiency. Getting off work I also rode home very carefully for two particular reasons one of them being the nearly empty gas tank. For those who noticed these bikes can get quite good gas mileage at least according to the on board MPG monitor if the speeds are low and throttle is not wide open. But these bikes are too much fun to be putted around all day hence the reason why I only do it in low gas situations. The second reason is that while getting off work talking to my wife on the phone for 30-minutes in the parking lot (she is away from home at the moment.) I noticed by "CHANCE" in a poorly lit parking lot (in a strongly sarcastic tone) that at the eyelet of my Chinese knock off Hyperpro steering damper that is mounted via Dimotiv Chinese knock off mount dislodged completely from the mounting bolt at the handlebar end of the damper rod. Please forgive me for lack of better explanation and pictures as this post is something of after the fact thought and again by "Chance" and "Coincidence" I am motivated to post this. Actually do not know what came over me because I never do this, perhaps I'm too lazy or something of that sort, but I have better things to do then to spend time writing posts. However this is a potential SAFETY ISSUE. ESPECIALLY for the guys that mounted their dampers underneath via fork clamp BECAUSE IT IS EASIER TO OVERLOOK AND NOT NOTICE IT. ANYWAYS the bolt itself is not the issue it did not vibrate its way out of the threads I coated the threads with RED loctite. The issue is the swivel bushing itself or whatever it is called.
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I hope the picture and the arrows explain what I'm talking about. Basically there is no mechanical part (Such as C-Clip) that secures that bushing that houses the swivel bearing in place inside the ALUMINUM eyelet other then some tensile strength from being pressed in. Needless to say this is my modification I know its kinda rudimentary but I'll see how it goes. I should have used some GRUB SCREWS
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However mind you it's 23:00 the stores are closed and I would like to ride to work tomorrow. If this fix is insufficient I will replace the screw with a grub screw of bigger size and thread. The one I used is M3x0.5(I think) I might go up a size while adding more of them around the perimeter of the eyelet 3-6 or more depending on the impact of visual aesthetics, and my willingness to spend hours and hours playing around with this modification, ie. spacing drilling and tapping all the holes. By the way I did use red locktite on that screw because I don't expect, neither do I want it to ever come out so I would recommend the same for everyone. Also I'm not sure how to explain it without actual pictures but don't forget to drill in a small dip into the actual bushing to match up with a cone shape end of the grub screw, DO NOT drill through the bushing completely. Basically all you need is a shallow sinkhole in the center of the bushing. I did this by installing the bushing into the eyelet, setting it to proper depth, just like its supposed to sit, then drilling the hole through the eyelet and a tiny bit more into the bushing, then remove the bushing to thread the eyelet, and assemble everything back and install the screw with loctite.

Another thing I would like to get out there before someone starts blowing up this thread of how horrible Chinese engineering is. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE that these are Hyper-pro knock offs. That means that Chinese simply pirated off the actual branded engineering schematics and manufactured the parts unbranded. Unless they and me included are missing something but this picture from HYPERPRO does not clearly show what is securing the bushing in place on the actual HYPERPRO branded part.

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My personal suspicion is that HyperPro branded part are just as "RELIABLE" and "DEPENDABLE" as their unbranded counterparts. HURRAY for world leading Dutch engineering!!!!

Anyways I hope you guys will take this into serious consideration. I advise everyone to perform this mod or any other mod to prevent the eyelet from popping out. (oh yes it popped out through the top of the bolt, because underneath the Dimotiv handlebar arm jig would stop it) Take NOTE this can pose a serious SAFETY hazard if the steering damper rod jams-up against something and some how and prevents steering movement for a split second (or longer, but split second is all it takes to wipeout). This is especially true for those who mounted their dampers underneath the tripple tree where there is more parts and objects for this damper to jam up against.
Anyways this is just my five cents and I hope it helps and prevents a catastrophic failure and death of anyone. Ride Safe and have fun.


P.S. perhaps moderators can move this thread or mark it so that maximum amount of users can read it, something tells me that a lot of FZ-09 owners have or think about installing a steering dampers, I recomend it also it's a night and day difference in handling and the front end composure with a damper in place.
 

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Your fix actually screws up the function of the steering damper. If you don't understand that, you really don't understand what the damper does and how it works.

And for the record, if your susoension is set up properly and your are holding on to the vike with your knees and not your hands, the FZ09 does not need a damper on the street. On the track, maybe, even probably for some people.
 

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I'd return that POS for a faulty part, that will endanger the public....

I wouldn't have tried to fix it personally.... You get what you pay for, GPR for the win...
 

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Your fix actually screws up the function of the steering damper. If you don't understand that, you really don't understand what the damper does and how it works.

I'm not following you..... it looks to me that he is securing the brass that is supposed to be pressed in, the screws he's added to me are a temporary fix. The pressed in brass part is faulty.... Looking at the gaps on the edges highlighted by the red arrows in this pic.... there should be no gap.
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The ball on the inside still swivels and has movement as shown in these pic of a bar end swivel.....
 

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Good grief....my vision has changed from that post. Billboard letters aren't that big. All I can see is blurred mumbo jumbo now.
 

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Rose joints are as old as the hills and proven reliable in all sorts of applications, if they are properly engineered. To bag Hyperpro because your cheap copy failed is a bit of a stretch. Not to mention unreasonable and illogical.
As for risking your life, get a grip sunshine. 09's don't come with dampers, and I've yet to hear of someone binning one on the street because they didn't have a damper. I've done 6000 km's on some really rough roads and haven't come near to a tank slapper.
 

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Rose joints are as old as the hills and proven reliable in all sorts of applications, if they are properly engineered. To bag Hyperpro because your cheap copy failed is a bit of a stretch. Not to mention unreasonable and illogical.
As for risking your life, get a grip sunshine. 09's don't come with dampers, and I've yet to hear of someone binning one on the street because they didn't have a damper. I've done 6000 km's on some really rough roads and haven't come near to a tank slapper.
My guess is that damper isn't installed correctly and stops short of the steering stops. That would make the rose joint pop apart. And I agree...there's nobody on this forum fast enough to need a steering damper on the street. Some folks just want to pretend to look like a real road racer.
 

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The FZ-09 does not need a damper, it just looks cooler....

Holy f%ck I think I just went blind.

Good catch, I'm sure the cheap chinee damper owners around here will appreciate it.

I'm curious about this: "I recomend it also it's a night and day difference in handling and the front end composure with a damper in place. "

How exactly? I've very rarely ever needed a damper on a street-only bike, my FZ certainly doesn't need one. Were you (or other damper owners) experiencing head shake or wobbling at speed?

 

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I've been meaning to ask the damper users, did fitting one slow the steering in normal use? Was it less flickable? Because the last one I used many years ago felt like the headstock was swimming in treacle, that's molasses to you North Americans.
 

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No risk of life here... Worst case scenario it pops off and cosmetically damages your bike, unless perhaps you don't know how to respond to such an event and freak out causing you bin it

I have an ohlins damper on my other bike w/ 20k miles with the same type of rose joint. Get what you pay for! I can't imagine any need for damper on the fz personally.


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Another thing I would like to get out there before someone starts blowing up this thread of how horrible Chinese engineering is. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE that these are Hyper-pro knock offs. That means that Chinese simply pirated off the actual branded engineering schematics and manufactured the parts unbranded. Unless they and me included are missing something but this picture from HYPERPRO does not clearly show what is securing the bushing in place on the actual HYPERPRO branded part.

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My personal suspicion is that HyperPro branded part are just as "RELIABLE" and "DEPENDABLE" as their unbranded counterparts. HURRAY for world leading Dutch engineering!!!!

Wrong! Hyperpro will hold tighter tolerances on their components making a proper 'fit' so I bet their parts will not come apart like that. Just cause a Chinese knockoff 'looks' like the real thing does not at all mean that it is built the same and will perform the same. I'm an Aerospace CNC Machinist and there's a damn good reason that the Chinese don't make cheap knockoff aerospace parts. It's because they can't cheaply consistently hold tight tolerances and they can't source aircraft grade materials for cheap either.

I've always stayed away from Chinese knockoffs on all of my cars/bikes as I know the materials used are soft and cheap, and I'm not about to risk my life for some cheap shiny parts.
 

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Wrong! Hyperpro will hold tighter tolerances on their components making a proper 'fit' so I bet their parts will not come apart like that. Just cause a Chinese knockoff 'looks' like the real thing does not at all mean that it is built the same and will perform the same. I'm an Aerospace CNC Machinist and there's a damn good reason that the Chinese don't make cheap knockoff aerospace parts. It's because they can't cheaply consistently hold tight tolerances and they can't source aircraft grade materials for cheap either.

I've always stayed away from Chinese knockoffs on all of my cars/bikes as I know the materials used are soft and cheap, and I'm not about to risk my life for some cheap shiny parts.
I'm in the precision machining industry as well, and you'd be very surprised what companies are outsourcing Chinese parts. I'm not just talking motorcycle trinkets, but actual life and death parts. Just because it's made in China, does not automatically mean the tolerances are loose and the processes are not repeatable.

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I'm in the precision machining industry as well, and you'd be very surprised what companies are outsourcing Chinese parts. I'm not just talking motorcycle trinkets, but actual life and death parts. Just because it's made in China, does not automatically mean the tolerances are loose and the processes are not repeatable.

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Oh I know, we specialise in getting jobs off the ground, coming up with and proving a solid method before they are outsourced to India or China etc after a 2 or 3 year run from ourselves BUT my point is, that there is a very big difference between an expensive precision machined and well fitted part made from high grade materials and a cheap lookalike made from Swiss cheese. We have a very large amount of permanent jobs at work that can't go high volume to China because they simply can't replicate the precision and quality for a lower price than we can.

I can imagine someone who has never 'worked' both low and high grade materials probably wouldn't have any idea how different they can be. You can guarantee that cheap Chinese motorcycle parts are low grade aluminium designed to catch the eye with the shiny anodised finish. And as you'll know, low grade aluminium can be very soft and weak and be prone to stress fractures over time which will ultimately lead to a failure. Imagine your front brake lever snapping off just when you really need it.
 

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At the end of the day each to their own and all that and if it works for you then that's great but personally I'd rather buy right and buy once, I'm not about to bet my life on cheap parts holding up 100% for what could be years of continued repetitive use. I've seen tons of parts rejected by customers over the tiniest imperfection as its those imperfections that will eventually lead to stress fractures and failures. Call me paranoid but as I said I'm not willing to bet my own safety on it.


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I've been riding a long time on the street and only had one bike that actually came with a steering damper and I didn't care for it or feel a need for it and I used it with the least resistance dialed in. The only bike I ever had that I though might benefit from one was an 1100 Sportster that went into a violent tank slapper on I-96 at about 95 M.P..H. It scared the daylights out of me. Whatever caused the slapper I don't know but something was way out of whack in the front end and I got rid of the bike because I no longer trusted it. I believe the bottom line is if the front end is prone to acting like it's sloppy, it's better to find out why than use an add-on part to offset the real problem. Race course, maybe a different thing.
 
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