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I was at my old employers Spring Open House this past Saturday to peruse around. Saw the Niken up close/personal .. Naaah. But what caught my eye was the new Can Am Ryker. This thing is short/compact, kinda like a 3 wheel go kart. Gonna ride one in couple weeks when I get back from a southern vacation. Less than $10k too for the 900cc version (if they give me a former employee discount). Just wanna try it for what it would be used for.. fun :) We shall see..
https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/ryker/recreational/ryker.html
 

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I like them. I've ridden the original and it was fun, although I prefer the lines of the new Ryker much better.
 

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My only concern is not really reliability, but factory and design issues.

Consumer Reports did a survey online. 11,000 subscribers reported on more than 12,300 motorcycles from model years 2008 to 2014

The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
1) Yamaha/Star (11 percent failure rate)
2) Suzuki and Honda (12 percent)
3) Kawasaki (15 percent)
4) Victory (17 percent)
5) Harley-Davidson (26 percent)
6) Triumph (29 percent)
7) Ducati (33 percent)
8) BMW (40 percent)
9) Can-Am (42 percent)

Most riders I know have seen that list above and I figured that it's a few years old so I'd check the forums to see what's happened since 2014.

On the Can-Am forums this is the first thread I found about reliability. Start at post #5. https://www.can-amforum.com/forums/can-am-brp/125537-reliability-can-am.html

- someone doesn't like the suspension
- gear shifter is a "pain in the ass to shift"
- heat blows onto your left leg
- power steering issues
- quote "They need constant tlc. Lots of hours maintaining my can am over the years."
- brake pads after 300 miles
- front diff seal leaked
- overheating issues
- clutch work
- after 10,000 miles needs a sway bar mount and the front suspension bushings are a little loose

That was just the first page of the thread. While the issues above don't discuss the Ryker itself (it just launched), I think that the amount of complaints about their line-up show that Can-Am still has many areas to improve not only design, but function.

On a side note, with the issues above, do you want to own the first generation of a Can-Am?

I haven't looked into Can-Am much before, but with them being the bottom of the pack for failures and the added issues in the forums I found it makes me think that they are still working out the kinks, and possibly using consumers as testers.

Here is their recall page for road-going vehicles. https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/owners/safety/safety-recalls.html

I didn't see any Ryker recalls yet (this is the first year for them), but it's a good page to check to see what's happening since Rykers are relatively new.

Other than all that, I do love the agressive look of them.
 

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I think that Forum you linked is for Can-Am Side-By-Sides and Quads??? since there is no mention of any Spyder's on any of the pages and there is no front differential on a Spyder or Ryker.

As for reliability on the Ryker or any of the new Spyder no idea how good they are. All I can say is the 2009 Spyder RS SM5 that I had for a few years was really reliable with zero issues. The only maintenance I had to do was oil changes and tires since it did like to eat up rear tires if you "played" on it at all. And yes it does not lean and it is not a motorcycle. You have to think of it more as a street legal 3 wheeled quad or snowmobile, lol.

2009 Spyder RS SM5, which I got rid of just before they came out with the new F3 version.

2009 Spyder RS SM5.JPG

So if you are expecting it to be like a motorcycle, you won't like it. But if you have done any quad'ing or snowmobiling and might find of these things a blast to ride.


On the Can-Am forums this is the first thread I found about reliability. Start at post #5. https://www.can-amforum.com/forums/can-am-brp/125537-reliability-can-am.html

- someone doesn't like the suspension
- gear shifter is a "pain in the ass to shift"
- heat blows onto your left leg
- power steering issues
- quote "They need constant tlc. Lots of hours maintaining my can am over the years."
- brake pads after 300 miles
- front diff seal leaked
- overheating issues
- clutch work
- after 10,000 miles needs a sway bar mount and the front suspension bushings are a little loose
 

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I think that Forum you linked is for Can-Am Side-By-Sides and Quads??? since there is no mention of any Spyder's on any of the pages and there is no front differential on a Spyder or Ryker.

As for reliability on the Ryker or any of the new Spyder no idea how good they are. All I can say is the 2009 Spyder RS SM5 that I had for a few years was really reliable with zero issues. The only maintenance I had to do was oil changes and tires since it did like to eat up rear tires if you "played" on it at all. And yes it does not lean and it is not a motorcycle. You have to think of it more as a street legal 3 wheeled quad or snowmobile, lol.

2009 Spyder RS SM5, which I got rid of just before they came out with the new F3 version.

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So if you are expecting it to be like a motorcycle, you won't like it. But if you have done any quad'ing or snowmobiling and might find of these things a blast to ride.
I know ... I sold Spyders at the dealership I worked at for a couple years. Actually have many hundreds of miles experience on them. I know what I'm looking at and how it'll be used. If you haven't seen one in person yet, they're pretty cool. Much more compact than the full sized units. We shall see...
 

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I know ... I sold Spyders at the dealership I worked at for a couple years. Actually have many hundreds of miles experience on them. I know what I'm looking at and how it'll be used. If you haven't seen one in person yet, they're pretty cool. Much more compact than the full sized units. We shall see...
The only thing I am not too sure about on the Ryker's is the Automatic CVT Transmission??? I would still prefer a good old manual transmission, lol.
 

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that might be an option for my wife. She wants a scooter with a Sidecar and at least this thing would be safer than what she wants.
 

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Re troops comment on the Niken. My brother road tested one and was mightily impressed, especially at its rough road stability. But the weight and seat width eliminated it..
The bugger did buy an 09SP though.
 

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My only concern is not really reliability, but factory and design issues.

Consumer Reports did a survey online. 11,000 subscribers reported on more than 12,300 motorcycles from model years 2008 to 2014

The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
1) Yamaha/Star (11 percent failure rate)
2) Suzuki and Honda (12 percent)
3) Kawasaki (15 percent)
4) Victory (17 percent)
5) Harley-Davidson (26 percent)
6) Triumph (29 percent)
7) Ducati (33 percent)
8) BMW (40 percent)
9) Can-Am (42 percent)

I saw this before and it's all pretty much what I would have expected except for BMW. With reliability issues that are actually the worst for a "true motorcycle", why do they get all the love that they do?
 

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Maybe BMW owners are super picky, and a smudge on the paint or a mirror out of adjustment is considered a "failure"? :D
 

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Owning a motorcycle and turning a wrench/maintaining it kind of go hand in hand for me. Not only do I love the thrill of riding but I love working on my bike too. When I look at that list I start to wonder how much this relationship of owning and maintaining a bike grows apart as you get towards the bottom. I could see this being a major contributing factor to more reliability issues.
 

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These Can-Am things look wickedly amazing. Love to have a go on one.

However, I would never own one:


- I'd feel a bit of a knob

- You'd still get wet in rain

- Not the same cornering experience

- Am in the UK - I'd miss being able to slyly sift through traffic due to a motorcycle's narrowness
 

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I saw this before and it's all pretty much what I would have expected except for BMW. With reliability issues that are actually the worst for a "true motorcycle", why do they get all the love that they do?
I got to try the S1000XR in October. I have never ridden a more buzzy bike. From 5,000 RPM (a normal operating rpm around town and the highway) all the way to redline the whole thing vibrated intensely. My old 2007 CBR600rr was smoother by a looooong shot. If it were mine I would have taken it back and exchanged it immediately. When I got back I asked the salesman if he's sure that this year of XR I was on had the "fix" in place to stop the buzzing from the older models, and he assued me this one was fixed. I can't imagine how bad the old ones were then.

If I spent my hard earned $19,000 on a BMW and it buzzed that bad I'd be filling out every online form telling people to stay away.
 

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Happy with my BMW. I post on the GS section of ADV riders and the most common required service posts are bikes pushing 100k miles that have generally seen a lot of hard off-road miles. The number one problem I‘ve heard about were the big touring models blowing drive shafts. Of course, all bike makes have their share of issues.

The entire report may be legitimate, but I’ve always thought Consumer Reports generally full of shit. They seem to give the highest marks to the most popular all american purchases. Their reviews are pretty superficial as well. Actually, they remind me a lot of paid motorcycle reviewers. My best source on cars and bikes has been going to the related forum and searching their service posts. I’ve never bought anything based on a high consumer report rating.
 

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I usually feel any report that is "consumer reported" is going to be flawed, but I think that Consumer Reports did more research.

ORIGINAL STUDY: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2015/04/who-makes-the-most-reliable-motorcycle/index.htm

BREAKDOWN OF STUDY: https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2015/05/motorcycle-reliability-and-owner-satisfaction/index.htm

That breakdown gives me a bit better feelings about the study and its usefulness. It's good knowing that it just wasn't 1 question of "did it fail". They dove into comfort, what system is going to go wrong, and the average cost of the repairs. So it looks like they did get into true "failures", and not just a scuff on a BMW gas tank.

I also find it odd that all Japanese bikes won first place. I could see maybe Honda being first place if someone in a Honda forum posted a thread and said "hey guys, let's all fill this out giving Honda 5 stars so we win!", but that doesn't explain how ALL Japanese bikes won first place. I feel it's a little more than coicidence.

The part that I believe to be true is "Owner Satisfaction". Harley had a reported 26% failures but some of the highest owner satisfaction. To me "owner satisfaction" is a completely useless measurement. For instance, buying a Harley gets you into the elite American cruiser club. Also, if I'm spending $40,000+ on purely a toy and I've had a failure I'd look foolish if I said "I'm not happy". No one likes to admit they made a mistake worth that much money, so you tell yourself that you're happy to justify the high purchase price and brand loyalty.

In that sense that metric is pointless. You get to be a part of a club, so of course you're happy....... even if the $45,000 bike is in the shop 1 week after you bought it and the repairs took 7 weeks, so you lost 7 weeks of riding to have it fixed (true story of my riding buddy). He said he's still happy with his purchase. He lost 1/2 of his riding season, still had to pay insurance for 2 months, but he loves it. Goes to show that you still want to "keep up apearances" and not bad mouth your bike brand.

No Harley guy is going to talk to another Harley guy and say "Ya, I shouldn't have bought a Harley, I'm not happy". That simply doesn't happen in American culture as no other cruiser guy will ever relate to that statement.

Also, on that breakdown page they give a special shout out to Can-Am.
 

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I recently did this Can-Am course at Santa Clara, CA.
https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/learntoride/registration.html

Except for the initial theory part, I liked the course :p
I got to ride both Rykers and Spyders.
Also, the trainer let us drift the machines towards the end of the course and it was quite exciting. It changed my perception towards Can-ams a bit for sure :D
Overall, it was half a day well spent for just $50.
 
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