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There's a lot more 600 mods and spare parts on the market compared to the 750

It takes quite a bit of experience to be able to reach a SS's limits unless you're racing at the track against other 600's IMNSHO

I vote 636 too. I loved my 05'
 
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I was going to suggest that you take your R3 to the track a few times before you swap it. Despite it's inefficiencies, the 300 class is a great tool for learning how to really corner and move fast. If you are just keeping to the street, than this point is not as relevant. So if you like the feel of the R3, you will love the 600/750 bikes. Unlike the FZ & R3 they will be geared higher, so keep in mind a sprocket change if you want less top end speed and more acceleration.
We have great roads where we are in PA, lots of winding curves without lots of cars or lights if you get out far enough. Even the roads a few minutes from our house are nice. I ride with a group for all day rides, but go myself with my husband locally. He has a shadow, so he doesn't get annoyed if I take off and then wait up the road. Since I can't even pick up the R3, I take the stupid Spyder we got if I go alone. I haven't knocked stuff over except once at a gas station when I got my pants caught, but I'm sure bikes go over eventually.

The R3 is probably better for the all day rides compared to a supersport, but I take the FZ-09 the majority of the time.
 
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The lady wants adrenaline. She gets a maintenance dose from the 09, she just wants something to mainline once in a while.
Yeah, it's a problem. The vette has been serving that need. You ride out the gears and it takes off. The FZ is awesome, just wondering what a real supersport is like. I could hate it, of course, or not. Even the R3 is fun if you shift near red line.
 
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There's a lot more 600 mods and spare parts on the market compared to the 750

It takes quite a bit of experience to be able to reach a SS's limits unless you're racing at the track against other 600's IMNSHO

I vote 636 too. I loved my 05'

It's a seat height thing. I'm 5'5" and can flat foot the FZ, so that's the limit. I'm not sure about the kawis. I thought they had quality issues. I'll have to find one. I like the new kawis but I'm not looking to spend the 10k+ for a new one.
 
At 5'5" You shouldn't have any issues with being uncomfortable in the "race" position. I'm 5'8" and find the tuck to be the most comfortable, and very uncomfortable in the cruizer position. Never had a quality issue with any of my Kawasakis, they were actually excellent. My FZ seat height with a Sargent seat is taller than a ninja 600 or 10, and about what an old 9R was. You wont have the torque of the FZ with ANY of the 600s they will seem gutless until they are just plain going fast.The '03 ZX9 was magic on the street, loses out to GSXR/R1 on the track, but on the road....Its all about the power delivery and the right suspension for the task.
I'm just kind of "Meh" about 600s on the street in general. Kawasaki is the only company that seemed to get that they could "street tune" a super sport. Then theres Triumph with the 675s, love that bike but I'm afraid to own one for maintenance reasons.
I might just be full of it though and some one will be along shortly to say so.
 
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GSX-R's pretty much have the lowest seat heights of regular sport motorcycles. The 600 and 750 are physically the same size. The 750 has a little more power but because it's an inline 4 cylinder, most of the good power is way up in the revs. They handle well out of the crate and have good brakes. Toss the R3 and get one.
People always try to push the Daytona 675. I've ridden lots of them and to me, they are not what people make them out to be. Slightly more usable power than a 600 4, but not much. Triumph needs to make the Daytona with a motor like the FZ-09's, bigger and more potent. The 675 is over-rated.
 
Jen,

From what I read, you are wanting to go faster and you also state you can't pick up the R3 so weight is a problem.

The I4 600/750 are going to weigh a LOT more than the R3.

I think you are misunderstanding what you need/want and probably going down the wrong path to get what you want.

What I hear from your statements is:
1) Need more confidence in riding so you can be comfortable/confident going faster, turning, stopping.
2) You want better brakes and suspension than on the R3.
3) You need to know how to pick up the bike if you drop the bike

A new bike won't address any of those items and the 600/750 GSXR will make most of those things worse

What I suggest is:
1) Set up the suspension for you on the R3 - take it to a suspension pro and let them work their magic with a premium rear shock and upgraded fork internals
2) Install R6/R1 master cylinder on the R3 along with steel braided line and better brake pads
3) You need a software upgrade in the form of more rider training - the quickest way to get more skills is more rider training followed by more riding where you apply/practice those skills.
4) Then attend some trackdays so you can learn to use the R3 to its potential in a controlled environment.
5) Learn how to pick up your bike. It is all about leverage and doing it properly and you CAN pick it up unless you have serious back issues. There are tons of videos on it, then you just need practice. Easiest way to practice is to put the bike on its side on a movers blanket and then pick it up.

This will be a lot cheaper than buying a 600/750 and will probably give you better results.

The R3 is a heck of a bike. The R3 will run really well and make great HP if you wind out the engine and keep it high in the revs.

A properly set up R3 is just as sharp handling of a sportbike as the GSXR600/750 and many would say sharper.

I think you would learn more and be more confident sooner on the R3 than you would on the GSXR 600/750.

Adding HP and top heavy weight from a 600/750 doesn't solve a lot of the issues you are saying you want to fix.

BTW, any 600/750 you will need to spend $ on suspension as well.
 
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Jen,

From what I read, you are wanting to go faster and you also state you can't pick up the R3 so weight is a problem.

The I4 600/750 are going to weigh a LOT more than the R3.

I think you are misunderstanding what you need/want and probably going down the wrong path to get what you want.

What I hear from your statements is:
1) Need more confidence in riding so you can be comfortable/confident going faster, turning, stopping.
2) You want better brakes and suspension than on the R3.
3) You need to know how to pick up the bike if you drop the bike

A new bike won't address any of those items and the 600/750 GSXR will make most of those things worse

What I suggest is:
1) Set up the suspension for you on the R3 - take it to a suspension pro and let them work their magic with a premium rear shock and upgraded fork internals
2) Install R6/R1 master cylinder on the R3 along with steel braided line and better brake pads
3) You need a software upgrade in the form of more rider training - the quickest way to get more skills is more rider training followed by more riding where you apply/practice those skills.
4) Then attend some trackdays so you can learn to use the R3 to its potential in a controlled environment.
5) Learn how to pick up your bike. It is all about leverage and doing it properly and you CAN pick it up unless you have serious back issues. There are tons of videos on it, then you just need practice. Easiest way to practice is to put the bike on its side on a movers blanket and then pick it up.

This will be a lot cheaper than buying a 600/750 and will probably give you better results.

The R3 is a heck of a bike. The R3 will run really well and make great HP if you wind out the engine and keep it high in the revs.

A properly set up R3 is just as sharp handling of a sportbike as the GSXR600/750 and many would say sharper.

I think you would learn more and be more confident sooner on the R3 than you would on the GSXR 600/750.

Adding HP and top heavy weight from a 600/750 doesn't solve a lot of the issues you are saying you want to fix.

BTW, any 600/750 you will need to spend $ on suspension as well.
I typed a long reply to Jen similar to yours....but realized I was wasting my time and deleted the whole thing. She has no interest in becoming a better rider. She made no effort at all to mod her FZ09 or her R3 with better brakes and suspension, so that should tell you that she's just interested in a new status symbol and nothing else. Next year she'll be buying a new Ducati Monster, and the year after that a new Panagale.
 
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I vote track the r3. Supersports are my original love for two wheels and I will always have one in my garage. Taking a supersport on a twisty run with my buddies is exhilarating however it doesn't come close to the fun of a trackday. If you are going to get a 600 take that to the track at least. You will not be able to experience what it has to offer otherwise. I'm not saying you can't street it but to 97% of people out there the difference in handling of the fz and 600 doesn't matter because their skill level is below both, couple this with street variables makes it a pointless purchase.

Edit: OP- out of respect for your question I don't think there's a huge difference in these machines taking into account you are not looking your priority is braking and cornering. I could go deeper but I think this communicates most directly with your question.

FWIW- my first bike was used to commute and learn the basics for a year. My second bike is when I started learning to ride and was an r6. If I had to start over learning to ride knowing what I do now I'd have a I'd buy a 300 and prepay for a handful of track days.


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I typed a long reply to Jen similar to yours....but realized I was wasting my time and deleted the whole thing. She has no interest in becoming a better rider. She made no effort at all to mod her FZ09 or her R3 with better brakes and suspension, so that should tell you that she's just interested in a new status symbol and nothing else. Next year she'll be buying a new Ducati Monster, and the year after that a new Panagale.
This made me laugh and originally I agreed, but then I analyzed my feelings further and discovered some flaws in the post. One, I got yelled at once for telling Jen to get stronger. This still pisses me off I guess so maybe there is some deep seated animosity. I still feel the same way though, if you can flat foot on a bike there is absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to move it. You just aren't strong enough. How do you fix this? You get stronger. Get on the bike and find a small decline and start out moving it with the assistance of gravity. Then after a few weeks, when your body has adapted, transition to flat ground. After a few more weeks on flat ground, after adaptation, go back to that decline and move against gravity. After that you'll be able to move that bike anywhere you want. Most driveways are built with just such a gradual decline so that you have water run off. This is assuming your house is built on flat ground. If this is the case you have the perfect off season time to get this done. If not find a way. Just work in your garage and instead of using a decline have your husband first assist movement just like an assist with weight lifting and eventually have him provide resistance. Bam problem with weakness is solved. You are now a better stronger version of yourself through hard work and dedication to improvement. You are welcome, but don't thank me, you did all the work. Thank yourself.

Now back to getting yelled at, I get the subliminal male chivalry some members felt that caused them to see my post, that was meant to be encouraging, as some kind of attack on the weak and vulnerable female. The problem with that is they don't realize that they are being chauvinistic by doing this. The bottom line is I see women as equals, different, but equal, this comment is based on physical attributes, sure they have all the fun bits, but that's not what I'm talking about here you pigs. What I'm alluding to is their evolutionary genetics to have a BMI that is less muscle and more fat, for child birth, rearing, and survival in leaner times. However, just because you start out with a strength deficiency is not a road block. I know plenty of strong females. So yes, in a way I agree with CD599, don't look for a new bike, just get better.

Now as for the status symbol comment, yes, I laughed, but then I realized this is just haterade at it's worst. I get a new bike all the time. I have 4 and am working on adding a 5th. Now this is something I realize I have to justify, not to anyone else mind you, but to myself. Maybe, that's what Jen is doing here, she is telling herself I want a new bike, sure I feel guilty because society makes me think it is a frivolous and shallow purchase, but it's really not, because I really have a need here that needs to be fixed and by buying a new bike it fixes it. I say whatever it takes, I'm not going to judge. It's your money, you earned it, it has no effect on me, so I say go spend it, enjoy it, and screw anyone that doesn't like it.

However, if you have at all found this post to be informative, inspiring, and helpful, feel free to paypal me some of that extra money, like I said I need a 5th bike.
 
their evolutionary genetics to have a BMI that is less muscle and more fat, for child birth, rearing, and survival in leaner times.
Mmmmmmm! Fat, lovely stuff in bacon, lardo and girls.

PS. Give her a break, it's her life to live. She was just asking for some bike advice.
I did some serious fast road riding training as part of cop training, I haven't done any other training since becasue the courses I've looked into don't offer more than I already have. But I would do track training if I was near a track.
 
Here is one of the better websites that publish all the bike specs for all the different years.

Motorcycle Specification

For quick comparison like the stock seat heights & wet weights:

2016 FZ-09 = 32.1" (421 lbs.)
2011 GSX-R600 = 31.9" (412 lbs.)
2011 GSX-R750 = 31.8" (418 lbs.)

More info and less advertising, lol.

P.S. - And +1 to Jen, if I could have ten different bikes, I would too, lol.
 
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Here is one of the better websites that publish all the bike specs for all the different years.

Motorcycle Specification

For quick comparison like the stock seat heights & wet weights:

2016 FZ-09 = 32.1" (421 lbs.)
2011 GSX-R600 = 31.9" (412 lbs.)
2011 GSX-R750 = 31.8" (418 lbs.)

More info and less advertising, lol.

P.S. - And +1 to Jen, if I could have ten different bikes, I would too, lol.
No doubt the specs are correct or at least correct enough, even though they weigh about the same, the I-4 sportbikes feel like they weigh more because they carry their weight a bit higher, thus making her complaints about moving the bike around and picking the bike up, even worse.

But like others have said, if she can afford it and wants another bike, go for it.
 
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No doubt the specs are correct or at least correct enough, even though they weigh about the same, the I-4 sportbikes feel like they weigh more because they carry their weight a bit higher, thus making her complaints about moving the bike around and picking the bike up, even worse.
The low height of the clip-ons on sport bikes relative to the height of the center of gravity also makes them harder to pick up. After the first SS I got, I was surprised at how hard it was to pick up compared to the heavier standard bikes I owned previously.
 
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Status symbol?!? You don't know me and you are assuming incorrectly. It's good I don't care what you think. Nobody will even see me ride this thing. I would take it out at like 6 am and head to the mountains. I like cars and motorcycles. I have no need to impress anyone. I try to impress my husband by staying in shape, as far as that goes, and I like speed. I've been messing with cars since I got my first Camaro for $500.

Why would anyone care if I was on a 2008 GSXR? They would probably think I was an idiot. The people I ride with ride Harleys. If I wanted to "impress" them, I would have a 40k Harley. My FZ is a dirt bike to them. Do I care? No. Bizarre.
 
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For the record, my daily driver is a beat to piss 2007 Toyota Prius with 435k miles. There's not much status in that. I used to be a lawyer. There was lots of status with that. Now I teach math and physics. How much status does a teacher have? Not much.

How does riding a gsxr give you status? I don't even get that. If you are talking stereotypes, wouldn't that make me a squid? I would stay away from a gsxr if I was worried about "status," because of the Mohawk helmets that apparently come with them.

600 are supposed to be p#$$# bikes anyway. For status you apparently get a liter bike.

Anyway, I have no expectations of being able to move a bike. I can move an Indian Scout, which is 500+ lbs. It depends on the bike. I was able to move a Suzuki s40 I once had. I guess it's where the center of gravity is located. I can upright Victory touring bikes but can't even upright a Bolt.

CD, I need to stop letting you get to me. I'm still annoyed you called me 40!
 
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Jen,

The secret to picking up a bike - any bike - is to turn around so you're facing away from it. Grab a bar with one hand, the seat/ tail section (or better yet, a grab-rail) with the other, stick your butt against the seat and lift with your legs. I guarantee you can pick up your FZ that way. There are all kinds of YouTube videos that demonstrate this. Don't let this be any kind of deciding factor for which bike you pick...

As for the 600/750 debate, if you want one, get one. The 600's, especially, are pretty gutless outside their narrow powerband, so if you keep the RPM's down it's not going to overwhelm you with speed. As mentioned elsewhere, the place to really open it up and see what it can do is the track, so you would really owe it to yourself to get out there. But there's no reason you can't enjoy the twisties on a 600...
 
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I didn't mean pick up from the ground. I'm lucky that I've never crashed and needed to pick it up. I meant backing it into a space or moving it to get it out of the garage. I consider myself fortunate. I park so I can pull forward.
 
I didn't mean pick up from the ground. I'm lucky that I've never crashed and needed to pick it up. I meant backing it into a space or moving it to get it out of the garage. I consider myself fortunate. I park so I can pull forward.
Oh! I misunderstood. Well hell, anyone can have trouble moving a bike on a slope. That's why "bikers" always back into curbside parking. Plan ahead when parking and that's a non-issue...
 
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